Friends, save your money... Do not buy Haas NGC. I would rather have teeth pulled than buy a modern Haas, and I even like the old Haas Controls. Haas and affiliates, will tell you NGC is stable and wonderful technology. Our experience with MTS out of Anaheim is less than stellar. Will start with Machine Time Savers suckered us into two of the Next Gen Control machines--a Live Tool Lathe (ST20Y) with automatic Bar Feeder and a large VF6 Mill with Five Axis Trunnion. When they are selling you stuff, boy--these guys are your best friends. I am in month eight of ownership, and I am yet to have Anaheim MTS deliver a working machine. They keep telling me the next software patch is going to fix it... Eight months later, not so sure I believe those people anymore. Called the factory--looking for a customer advocate, they are saying the same thing. We have sold hundreds of them, and they all work flawlessly--it has to be you. YOU have to be the IDIOT. More and more Haas NGC owners are talking, and Haas is keeping the worlds best secret--their new hardware is absolute junk. Yeah, lots of bells and whistles--but at the end of the day for machinist--it is what is on the floor that pays the bills (chips from parts made.) On brand spanking new equipment, I have less than 20 hours on a Lathe in eight months, and less than 100 hours on very expensive five axis Mill... Amusing self, I put a hundred hours on every mill in the company every four days. The Haas NGC machines have a less than stellar record of making the company money. Bad enough you are having to make a $5000 plus monthly payments, then you factor in the work that is not getting done at $165 per hour. Average company using Haas NGC could potentially lose $1,320 per day. Last month, we had a $34,000 hit to our accounts with two machines down--thank you MTS of Anaheim... So Machinists, Machine Shop Owner--I have warned you... Smart money stays away from this new fangled hardware. We are looking towards legal action to send ours back--that is how unhappy we are with the equipment. Like I said, total junk after you get past the bells and whistles. read more