I was dealing with significant shoulder pain and was relieved to find that the orthopedic surgeon who had successfully operated on my hip years ago is now practicing in Burlingame. He came highly rated on Yelp, which I am not surprised by. When I called, his assistant, David, was incredibly helpful and managed to fit me in the very next day. Dr. Shin was thorough, kind, and extremely knowledgeable. He took the time to carefully evaluate my symptoms and review my X-rays before clearly and thoughtfully explaining his recommendations. I never felt rushed and truly appreciated his attentive approach. Thanks to his care, my shoulder is now back to normal. Dr. Shin is an excellent physician, and I would highly recommend him to anyone in need of orthopedic care. read more

Can't say I was thrilled. At first he seemed fine: attentive and friendly. But things changed when the procedure he did on me didn't work. I had a partial tear in my hamstring tendon, and he performed a PRP on it. But after a month of still having pain, he said it was clear that the PRP hadn't worked. That in itself wasn't the problem; it's what happened after. I wrote him a (very nice) letter explaining why I didn't feel he had paid enough attention to certain things (an MRI of my spine, for example), but I never heard a word from him. (Though he he did call me after this review was posted...two months later.) Also, it felt like it was pulling teeth to get the office to refer me to a spine doctor. It was like I was just cut loose. So...I'd say the treatment might have been appropriate, but the follow-up was sorely lacking. read more

I had a full right knee replacement in mid-November 2024. My experience with Dr. Shin and his Surgery Coordinator, Gloria Ortega, was excellent! I always like to say that knee surgery is not for sissies. Dr. Shin and Gloria made the experience highly-manageable! The knee surgery itself went perfectly and, cosmetically, my scar from it is very thin. Dr. Shin was kind and caring both pre- and post-op. Gloria is a superstar who solved a number of problems that arose involving things from the cancellation of my in-home PT plan the day after surgery (and solving the problem immediately) to answering the many questions I had over several months. She get backs to you in a very timely fashion, generally within several hours. I'm out walking and enjoying life again and I owe it to Dr. Shin and his team! Highly recommend!! read more

You'll be in very good hands with Dr. Shin and his employees. Efficient, thorough, amazing care.

Dr. Shin performed a Rotator Cuff surgery on my right shoulder on 01-11-23. During the rehab period of my surgery I continued to have pain. During my scheduled "post-op visits" I reported to Dr. Shin the type and quality of pain, and when I was having it, only to be told by Dr. Shin, "this is normal healing pain, and is of no concern". After my May 25th visit, I continued to have the same pain in the same place and reported this to Dr. Shin, and again I was told by him that it is "normal pain". I have had a number of surgeries on both my right and left Sholder's and know the difference from "rehab pain, surgical, and something is wrong" pain. So in June of this year, I sought a second opinion from a Sports Medicine Dr. in Redwood City. After my initial visit and discussion of my pain, an MRI was ordered and this MRI showed "an anomaly" on the right shoulder joint itself. In my subsequent visit, it was recommended that exploratory surgery be performed. July 6th, 2023, exploratory surgery on my right shoulder was performed, and it was subsequently discovered that one of the three anchors put in my right shoulder joint by Dr. Shin was placed and protruded through the right shoulder joint, and was cutting the underside of my deltoid muscle group with movement of the right shoulder during rehab. It was also discovered that the Bicep Tendon repair that was performed by Dr. Shin, had to be released and redone. In August of this year, as a direct result of these findings, I sent Dr. Shin a letter notifying him I was no longer going to be his patient and shared the reasons why with him. Dr. Shin's response to me on the phone was "yes, I made a mistake, I am only human", at which point I ended the call. The "take away here" is not that I endured three months of 7+ right shoulder pain that was to be relieved by Tylenol. Dr. Shin continued to dismiss my pain, and NEVER ordered an MRI or any other diagnostic test to get to the root cause of my shoulder pain. The fact that a second surgery was performed is clear evidence that something was very wrong and Dr. Shin did nothing about it!!! Anyone considering using Dr. Shin as their Sports Medicine Orthopedic Surgeon should ask themselves the question "if they want a one and done" attitude of a Dr. that believes nothing could be wrong with their surgery. In my opinion has an arrogant attitude - and could lead to the comment "this is normal recovery pain" and does nothing to understand why pain is still there months after having surgery to repair my shoulder in the first place. One of the first tenents of a physician's Hippocratic oath is "TO DO NO HARM. Clearly Dr. Edward Shin needs to revisit what it means when a patient continues to have a chief complaint of shoulder pain after surgery that he performed to remedy it. What unmitigated hubris to have the position Dr. Shin did in my case. NOTE: Due to nature of photo's unable to show. read more

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Professional, educational and caring. Dr Shin asked all the right questions, staff was very friendly! Excellent Care!

Dr Edward Shin and Staff are very efficient and professional. Dr Shin addressed all of my orthopedic needs. He is compassionate and cares about his patients. His office in Burlingame has plenty of parking. I'm glad my pain management MD referred him. I have seen a few Orthopedic Surgeons and Dr. Shin is number #1 on my list. Thank you Dr. Shin for caring and helping me with my severe knee discomfort. read more

Heather Masangkay is a very excellent worker. She demonstrates exceptional knowledge of her duties. She responds quickly to patients' needs & emails. Keep it up, Heather. read more

In the three years I've been seeing him, I can say Dr. Shin has provided top-notch​ medical care for me and my arthritic hip. He's simply a kind and skilled surgeon in a world where you don't often get both. He always shared lots of info with me about treatment options and was sensitive to my preferences as I slowly moved through life without cartilege. He's very knowledgeable and has an incredible bedside manner. He always took plenty of time to patiently answer my questions, even telling me they were good questions. As the pain progressed, he understood why I wanted a cortisone​ injection to better enjoy a trip to Italy. And the following year he let me know that he was recommending hip replacement surgery and why. I was ready to move beyond the pain! Then in my pre-op visit,​ he gave me a clear description of the procedure showing me models and sample parts. Plus, he detailed various aspects of my recovery​. It all went so well that I wanted to jump for joy when I saw him for my two-week, post-op appointment. My hip wasn't quite ready for that, but he appreciated that I gave him a big hug. 10 weeks after surgery I couldn't be happier that I found such a fantastic orthopedist. Bonus notes, I think the ice compression machine he recommended greatly speeded my recovery. Plus, the people on his team are good. read more

After it became clear that I was going to be left to deal with the damage caused by Dr. Shin's lies and/or mistakes, I wrote a negative review back in December of 2019 on both Yelp and ZocDoc regarding my experiences.  Dr. Shin called me within a few hours of these negative reviews being posted offering to pay for the care that I desperately needed as a result of his mistakes... the catch was I had to take the reviews down.  I took his offer and scheduled the appointments I needed to receive treatment.   I've given him over two years and he still hasn't paid a dime. I actually didn't think that I would be able to recover the negative reviews that I left but I contacted ZocDoc and they still had them!  My 1 star review from December 2019 that he had offered to pay me to delete is attached below. **DEC 2019 Review Dr. Shin offered to pay me to delete** "I'll update my review if anything changes but it doesn't seem likely at this point. I had femoral osteoplasty and labral repair surgery w/ Dr. Shin as my operating surgeon to correct Femoral Acetabular Impingement. The surgery went well but I would not recommend Dr. Shin's office because of how my insurance approval for post operative physical therapy was handled. I specifically asked during my preoperative appointment if my physical therapy had been approved because there was some questions as to whether or not it would be as I had hit my PT visit limit for 2019. Dr. Shin told me that everything was happening as expected with my insurance and that my insurance would never approve a surgery without the post operative physical therapy. Dr. Shin told me in this meeting we absolutely would not move forward with the surgery if my physical therapy was not approved because the chance of success of this surgery without post operative physical therapy was low. Well, we moved forward with the surgery. Afterwards, I found out that my insurance never approved physical therapy like I was told, and that Dr. Shin's office never went through the appeal process like I was told. It's been over 5 weeks since my surgery and I haven't been able to go to physical therapy and his office keeps failing to keep their promises about getting it approved or even following up with me about it." Dr. Shin has a very kind demeanor.  Don't believe the BS.  He's an absolute snake. If you have any questions about him, please don't hesitate to reach out. read more

My son fractured his wrist during basketball practice. He was in pain and very nervous. Everyone at Dr Shins office was so friendly and efficient in getting us an appointment, setting up his cast, following up on x rays and eventually removing the cast. Dr Shin's bedside manner is warm and approachable. He is an expert at his craft and felt we were in great hands throughout the entire process. Thank you Dr Shin and team! read more

Let's face it--- who wants to see a surgeon? Especially the ones shoving surgery down your throat -- when a more conservative route might be better. This is my second gig with Dr. S and his staff -- 1st time was for a total shoulder replacement. Instead of doing it himself, he had the humility to refer me to someone else who had more experience w the type of issues i had w my shoulder. So now I"m back w 2 bad knees -- compliments of too many marathons and other body crushing sports. Dr S outline every possible option for me -- the super conservative route of injections/anti-inflammatories, a less invasive surgical option and a pretty grueling surgical option. Because he took the time to know my history and me, he understood that I've undergone 3 significant, invasive surgeries in 3 years, including a spinal fusion which resulted in years of complications and post op procedures that I'm still under going. After talking about all 3 options at length, he allowed me to choose w/ no pressure. After I chose, I asked him what he thought-- and it was what he would have proposed. We will be going the less invasive surgical route because I'm too full of cortisone from my spine and shoulder from previous years and already on a host of anti-inflammatories. After what my body has been through, the more invasive surgery would likely be far more taxing than normal. This is what garners one's trust in one's physician -- and he has mine 100%. Shout out to his staff - Michael, Aaron and Heather -- who not only run a tight ship. but are just as buttoned up about my case, my history and me. They feel like family. Once again, less than 5 mins wait time -- and that's after I was late! read more

In June of 2020, I fell off a bridge while mountain biking and broke my collarbone, badly. I was referred to Doctor Shin by a friend. When my husband and I met with him, he was personable, attentive and very knowledgable about my condition. He gave us the option to let me heal on my own, but he strongly recommended surgery since my break was so bad. I got the surgery 8 days after my break and it went really well. I had no post-op issues. The follow up with Doctor Shin and his staff was great. I also had an amazing physical therapist (Potrero Physical Therapy - suggested by Dr. Shin). At 45, I was determined to get back my full range of motion, and I did. When I had the surgery, Dr. Shin said that because I am petite, I may want to get the plate and screws removed after a year. The idea of another surgery didn't thrill me, but I trusted his opinion. I waited almost two years and just got them out in March of this year. My second surgery was a success as well. I am lucky to heal quickly and without issue. Overall, I had a five star experience with Dr. Shin and his staff. I would recommend him/them wholeheartedly. read more

I was referred to Dr Shin when our orthopedic surgeon was going to retire and sold his practice. I had a torn tendon that had snapped back repaired so I didn't have to have a more extensive surgery. I'm very happy with the care I received from everyone at the surgery center and his office staff in Burlingame has been great. I continued to have follow up appointments and PT until recently when Dr Shin was satisfied with my recovery. My surgery was May 2023. I plan on continuing to see Dr Shin for other issues I have and have referred other's to him. read more

Dr. Shin performed three different types of surgery on me (meniscus repair, rotator cuff repair and hip replacement surgery). I am very pleased with the results of every surgery. Dr. Shin and his staff were very helpful during the entire process. read more

I highly recommend Dr. Edward Shin! I had a full hip arthroplasty on my right hip. I'm thrilled with the results. I was terrified of having surgery at the age of 47 but it was much needed. Dr. Shin's employees: Aaron, An, Soo and Heather also get a huge shout out. They have all been amazing and helpful from pre-op to post-op. I really want to thank Dr. Shin for this life changing surgery. read more

Edward Shin, MD - Sports Medicine Near Me - San Francisco, California

Awesome doctor and surgeon. Dr. Shin treated me and was also my surgeon for a total hip replacement. He is conservative in his approach, he is upfront about all of the risks and benefits, and he has just been the ideal doctor to work with in this situation. His office is well-run and his staff are great. I was a marathoner and triathlete, so it was devastating for me to develop this condition. Dr. Shin saved my life. Not only am I getting back to the activities I love, like hiking, he also evened out my legs! My right leg was always naturally a little shorter than my left leg. Dr. Shin managed to even them out! I highly recommend him as a great orthopedic doctor and surgeon. read more

I have been seeing Dr. Shin for over a year, and I was very happy with him for a while. He was kind, thoughtful, and attentive. A couple of months into my shoulder surgery rehab, I was injured in physical therapy. I came to Dr. Shin complaining of severe pain. He gave me a steroid injection and followed up with me. Things seemed to improve with some time, but after a few weeks I was still in pain that made no sense based on the surgery I had. I continued to report this pain to him. He gave me another injection. When that was unsuccessful I asked him to order an MRI. He refused, saying I'm, "thin and have great anatomy" (even though my shoulders were and are asymmetrical) and that he didn't think I needed imaging. At this point I wasn't sleeping well due to the pain, I was asking for pain medication, and I was missing work. Finally, I asked my primary care physician. Here we are FIVE MONTHS after I first reported this, and at least three months after I asked him for an MRI, and my prima care physician immediately believed me and ordered one. The results show that my shoulder injury is worse than it was prior to the surgery I had in January with Dr. Shin, and I now need a more invasive surgery after consulting with two other physicians. Dr. Shin didn't take me seriously, and I suffered for FIVE months. I was honestly starting to question my own sanity each time he (gently and kindly) blew me off. There is a lot of research regarding physicians ignoring women's pain, particularly black women. I believe this is what I've experienced this year with Dr. Shin. He's a good surgeon, but he could be a great surgeon if he would be more careful about checking biases and truly listening to his patients. I did not continue to make appointments with him for fun. I continued to go back because I've been suffering in pain every single day, and I wanted help finding out what was going on. I don't blame him for the reinjury, but I absolutely blame him for not taking me seriously and allowing this to continue. Unfortunately as patients, we cannot order our own imaging, and we trust and depend on our health care providers to listen to us. He didn't listen, and I've been suffering for longer than I had to. Edit: Within a half hour of posting this review, Dr. Shin emailed me to basically do damage control. He claimed it had nothing to do with my review, but of course it did. I had messaged him about my MRI over two weeks prior to receiving his email, but suddenly he was concerned. His staff is now calling and asking me if my shoulder has improved since they last saw me. How is that possible? At first I was disappointed in him for not listening to me, and now I'm also angry and increasingly frustrated with how poorly they are handling all of this. read more

I am very glad that my doctor recommended Dr. Shin for my recent partial hip replacement. He is very professional and communicative. He walked me through every step of the procedure and make sure that I understood everything. Aaron Lee, of his staff, was also very helpful, professional and very quick to respond to my every request! I highly recommend Dr. Shin. read more

I arrived half an hour before my appointment only to be left sat in the waiting room for over an hour with everyone else who came in after and before me being seen. When I was finally shown to the exam room I waited for yet another 20 minutes. The doctor did acknowledge the wait and apologized for the delay due to an unforeseen case. I have a good feeling that I was just seen when he had the time in between his other patients as I was a new referral. However, for all of my waiting and patience he only examined me for five minutes tops. Before I could gather my questions together he was out of the exam room and on his way to the next patient. I was given his assistant who I had to ask my questions to. Then I requested the assistant for help in emailing me information about braces which he promised but to this day has not materialized even though I called at a later date to ask again. The receptionist assured me that the assistant would definitely get back to me; I am still waiting. The office is very busy & that's why I feel patients' requests get overlooked. Yet that is no excuse in my opinion. read more

Best Orthopedic surgeon ever! I know him to be kind, compassionate, educated and is extremely invested in his patients. He has provided care for my family for years, including fixing my dad's shoulder calcification tendinitis without doing surgery and replacing my grandmother's hip. I would highly recommend Dr. Shin to anyone looking for an Orthopedic surgeon! read more

Avoid. They charge extra high amounts for things available off the counter and you end up paying more than the original cost even after insurance. My wife went to Dr. Shin and they immediately made her sign an agreement to pay for the equipment they will provide without even disclosing what they are providing. They provided her with a brace for hand, the one which is easily available in Walgreens OTC. A few days later we received a letter from Dr. Shin's office demanding $30 for the brace as they had charged insurance $225 and insurance only paid $195. Few days later we also received a letter from Pacific Medical demanding another $30 for the brace. After 2 weeks we payed Dr. Shin's office but to our surprise we kept on receiving payment demand note from Pacific Medical. When we called Pacific Medical and told we already payed Dr. Shin, they said that the payments are different and they don't know about any payment made to Dr. Shin. In the end we payed $30 to them as well. We ended up paying $60 out of pocket for a $15 OTC brace. This is on top of our $15 copay. Believe me we have one of the best insurance. We will never go to him again. Want to share my experience so that others also don't fall in trap. read more

Dr Shin is a great surgeon. He's very careful and thorough with diagnosing my shoulder pain. I had a really bad SLAP tear with a big cyst in my left shoulder. I decided to move forward with the surgery with Dr Shin and he was able to successfully repair the tear and remove the cyst. After a few months of recovery he noticed that I was recovering a little slower so he gave me an option to get an injection to help with my recovery. It has been 7 months since my surgery, and my left shoulder has regained strength and full range of motion. Overall, Dr Shin is very professional and he provides great service. I would recommend Dr Shin to all of my friends and family. read more

First class doctor with friendly manner and a helpful staff! I especially appreciated the reception I received in Dr. Shin's office. I felt well cared for. read more

Dr. Shin is a dedicated practitioner who was doing consultations even when many practices were not working for the holidays. Making an appointment and interacting with his staff was a seamless and pleasant experience. He is efficient, very communicative and explains the diagnosis and treatment with confidence. read more

Pump fake in the corner, the defender bit. Went around him and drove and undercut me as I laid a high arching finger roll in. That finger roll led to an ankle roll after landing on the defender's foot. I heard a snap, crackle, and pop. Visions of Gordon Hayward flooded my mind. Luckily, Dr. Shin jumped to my defense--like I jumped on my defender's ankle--taking great care of my ankle and my anxiety. He reassured me that my side hustle as a semi-pro pickup ball player was far from over. You da real MVP. read more

Dr. Shin performed a Rotator Cuff repair surgery, an open biceps tenodesis, and PRP injection. From the pre-op explanations of the tissue damage, the expected operational procedures, the expected outcome, and the type and duration of the physical therapy, I had a clear understanding of what would transpire and how long it would take to recover. Dr. Shin and his staff are very professional. The communications on the pre and post-operational requirements are clear and precise. The postoperative checkups are used to follow up on care and recovery and in conjunction with the physical therapy, the report adds to the assurance that the treatment is progressing as scheduled. I would not hesitate to recommend Dr. Shin for any orthopedic surgery a patient would require. read more

Overall felt rushed through the examination experience and the tone Dr Shin used was a bit dismissive of my pain. He also kept referring me to a physical therapist to help with evaluation of my lower back issue. If I knew this was the case, I wouldn't have come in for an examination! Giving 2 star only because the staff have been very nice at the clinic read more

Dr Edward Shin worked on my hips when I first met him. My second visit is for my left knee. In bot cases he was thorough during my physical exam and explained throughout what He was doing. In both cases he prescribed x-rays which he carefully walked me through. He recommended an MRI for both. As of this writing I am waiting for my MRI of my knee. I fully expect he will walk me through that as well. At no time did I feel like my intelligence was insulted. He made me a knowledgeable and willing participant in my care. I also want to add that his staff are cheerful which means they are happy working to support Dr. Shin. My visits have been excellent and I highly recommend Dr. Shin for your orthopedic treatment. read more

Dr. Shin was the best sports medicine doctor I've been to. I've played college Tennis and still coach quite often. I've had ankle problems and Dr. Shin was very helpful with my recovery process and he was very easy to comprehend. I'm back playing at a high level and coaching on-court six days a week! I highly recommend Dr. Shin! read more

Dr Shin worked magic on my hips in 2020, I had both replaced, and it's been fundamentally life-changing. From the first consultation where options were laid out, through two full hip arthroplasty surgeries @ CPMC Mission Bernal (in the midst of the pandemic), each with 3 month recoveries (+ physical therapy), and post-op checkins, Dr Shin and his staff have been great, and no nasty surprises with health insurance coverage (at least not so far lol). I can only speak to my own experience, and it's been top grade. read more

I chose Dr Shin for FAI hip surgery (arthroscopic shaving of hip bone spurs and stitching up torn labrum, among other things). It's the surgery you get before you need hip replacement. Rehab took a little longer than I thought (about 6 months), but I'm very glad I had the procedure. I'm almost at 100% now, back to playing hockey four times a week and the hip just keeps feeling better. Dr. Shin is very caring and has a wonderful manner about him. I could not be happier with this outcome. I feel obliged to write this review as a result of how well things turned out, and especially because I went to see Dr. Shin, initially, after having read his many positive Yelp reviews. Thank you, Dr. Shin. read more

I can't say much for my body because I am a wuss when it come to pain. But I can say I don't think I could have found a better place to go for the quality of service and care I have received on my journey with a broken elbow. Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart and from the bottom of my broken elbow! I HIGHLY recommend Dr. Edward Shin and the staff of AO Sports Medicine at 450 Sutter!! read more

Dr. Shin is one of the best! He is thorough and very knowledgeable of his field. I went in for some running injuries, including runner's knee and posterior shin splints. I am a marathon runner and have put my body through a lot of impact and injuries in the past. Being in the medical field, I've seen what good patient care entails, and Dr. Shin encompasses all the good qualities in an excellent provider. His staff is professional and friendly and are all willing to help with any of your questions and needs, whether scheduling or insurance coverage. Dr. Shin seems to really care about not only the patient's concern but what the patient expects and what their goals are, and working with the patient to achieve those goals. He is patient and understands the frustrations I was going through as an athlete that wanted immediate treatment and a plan of action so that I could be back on my feet in no time--pain and injury free. Dr. Shin is passionate about what he does, and practices with care and prestige. I highly recommend anyone looking for an ortho or someone who specializes in sports medicine! read more

World-class service and best experience I've had in a doctors office in years! Punctual, professional, friendly, and very knowledgeable. Being an athlete with previous injuries and living in several different cities, I've had to switch doctors multiple times but Dr. Shin is by far the best Orthopedic Surgeon I've come across to date. He listens and truly cares about your well-being by going the extra mile following up post-surgery. I highly recommend Dr. Shin and his team. I've already referred a friend over and she couldn't be happier with him handling her injury! read more

I highly recommend Dr. Shin. They have an amazing office staff and Dr. Shin is communicative, knowledgeable and has integrity. Being very active I have had my fair share of minor and major sports injuries. Dr. Shin will always be the first one I contact for my needs! read more

Dr. Shin and his staff were excellent...especially his surgery coordinator Sara. I tore my acl and meniscus playing soccer and a family friend referred me to dr. Shin. He saw me right away and Sara scheduled my surgery for the following week Everything from the office visit, to surgery and post surgery went great. Dr shin walked me through every step of the procedure and explained the recovery process in great detail. He checked on my recovery and offers helpful advice. He also used an online system that lets you ask questions and have check ins post surgery. I would definitely refer my friends and family to dr shin for surgery or consultation. He is one of the best. read more

I am so happy to be a part of Dr. Shin's practice. The office staff and assistants are warm, friendly and efficient. Dr. Shin is very attentive, present and thorough. Always answers questions throughly and addresses concerns with patience and compassion. read more

Dr. Shin is excellent. I tore my PCL and LCL doing martial arts, and ended up needing surgery followed by a lot of physical therapy. Through the entire process, from diagnosis to deciding a course of action, the surgery itself, and physical therapy, Dr. Shin was knowledgeable, skilled, and reassuring. What makes him exceptional is the care and attention he showed through the whole process. I always felt like he was looking out for me. He helped with everything from wrangling my insurance, to getting my braces and crutches fitted, to accelerating my physical therapy when needed. I think one of my scariest moments was sitting in the prep room, waiting for my first major surgery ever. But when Dr. Shin walked in to talk to me, I felt like things would be okay. His results speak for themselves. I went from being unable to walk before the surgery, through a long road of recovery, to climbing a mountain and returning to martial arts. I couldn't ask for more and highly recommend him to everyone. read more

I have had my fair share of experience with orthopedic surgeons and I have to say Dr. Shin goes above and beyond. I've had several appointments with him now and in all my visits he has listened carefully and provided thoughtful answers to all of my questions/concerns. I especially appreciated his thorough explanations of the problem and how he talked me though all of my treatment options including non-surgical ones. He has continuously made me feel like a partner in my treatment, rather than a passive recipient of his care. My knee surgery was successful and far easier than I expected, with an incredibly short recovery time and very little pain. His staff is excellent as well, both professional and warm. They have been great about scheduling appointments and getting me in soon after I call. Top notch all around, definitely recommend! read more