Located in the lower level of a strip mall on 22 this is a Chinese Day Spa. My mom who may I just say loves to complain about her body was brought here by my sister and loved the massage. So much so she brought me. Now I'm not one to get a facial since I don't have many blemishes but since my mother was getting both a massage and a facial I went ahead and treated myself. The massage was excellent and they managed to cater all of my mom's MANY complaints. I love my mom I truly do but I give it to them for listening and catering. The place itself is clean and did not have any odors as another review mentioned. At least not the day I came. And knowing my mom she wouldn't come back here if that were the case. read more

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Jennifer Day Spa is a new place for me. I signed up for a deep tissue massage and eyebrow wax. I entered the place and it reeked of cigarettes. I am very sensitive to smell, to be fair, but to be on a massage table trying to smell the sheets so that I don't inhale it ; that's bad. The massage therapist was very kind until I was told 4x I need cupping mid massage. I kindly told her I wouldn't like it, and definitely not in the time I was there as I had plans after. Sadly, I wouldn't return here. read more

Just had a couples massage with my friend and we both had negative experiences. My friends lady was late 15 minutes which is whatever but when she finally came in she started commenting on my friends back acne making rude comments. Then she started commenting on mine! Counting my back acne!! Such a wild experience and they kept trying to pressure us into buying more. The massage was also very subpar. After massaging my whole body, including my feet, she then massaged my face with the same dirty hands. would not come back. read more

Amazing massages, and so many wonderful options. Very kind staff and the environment was so calming as well.

Jennifer and her staff are very skilled with lash extensions and facials. Always friendly and welcoming. I highly recommend..

Very rude service. Would not tell me what service was provided with my Groupon. Do not come here.

Came to unwind before vacation. I have been coming here for 3 yrs. normally I get the 5 massages package. I'm at the end of my package, will probably do a facial next time. Clean place, ladies are professional, and they offer lots of different services. Masseuse constantly ask if pressure is good. Rooms are nice and warm. The entire place has a calming and soothing aroma with soft music. I really relax when I come here. I wish I had more time to have it done often. But until next time. read more

Jennifer Day Spa - Waiting room - Day Spas Near Me - Green Brook, New Jersey

be very careful going to this place. the owner said the type of brow I wanted was so curved, which it wasn't. she then proceeded to give me angry looking eye brows.. the people that work there will talk about you in their language so they all look at you and laugh. I got the powder brow and because I didn't go back for the touch up which is overly priced, they are fading away. Thank god as this was my intent. once this is done I will go to an English speaking person where their is no language barrier. the owner doesn't speak good enough english, but she tries to appear that she does. Also, she will get snippy with you if you question what she is doing. I have never left a bad review For anyone or any business before. however I'm Doing so now as a warning to my fellow people that want their eyebrows done. This place does very bad work. I wish I had paid attention to the reviews prior to going there. read more

If there exists lower than 1 star I will rate this place that. This spa will give you pain instead of relaxation. To name a few: 1. Kaching - all treatments cost money. You're a money machine to them. 2. The owner and attendants will insult you (if you can understand mandarin, you'll be surprised how much trash they talk about you) 3. The owner performs the aesthetics herself, not even sure if she's licensed, and she's really bad, she did my eyebrows so bad the left is higher than the right 4. Touch up will cost you more. When I came back to do the touch up, and complained how bad the job was done the first time, the owner was mad and got back at me by pushing the blade harder it hurts so bad, I left with so much pain and uneven eyebrows 5. The owner is not friendly at all, she has a nasty attitude. I will not recommend this even to my enemy, that's how bad this place is!!! read more

DO NOT GO HERE OR GIVE THEM YOUR BUSINESS! If I could give this place negative stars, I would. I booked an IPL facial treatment using a Groupon (huge mistake). I have gotten this done at a few different day spas and businesses and have always had good experiences. Not this place! The woman who did my treatment was extremely unprofessional, she insisted on giving me a full facial when all I wanted was the IPL Laser Treatment. She kept me there for over an hour and a half with things I didn't want. She was extremely rough and I felt like she was hurting me on purpose. She repeatedly scolded me to relax which is exactly what not to do to get someone to relax. How can you relax when someone is hurting you and keeping you there against your will. She also tried to sell me multiple things while I was trying to "relax" while being scolded the entire time. The "facial" or treatment should take 15-20 minutes tops. I was there for close to 2 hours of which can only be described as a torture session In hell. Then this woman had the nerve to try to sell me a package worth over $1,000 and a $109 facial lotion. My face looked like raw meat when I left. I told her multiple times I needed to leave and had somewhere to be and she didn't listen to me. I asked her repeatedly not to put oil in my hair and she slathered my hair in oil. I had to eventually tell her to stop and I was leaving. Just to be clear, there was not a language barrier, she just was not listening to me. She kept calling me "honey" in a condescending way. This angered me to no end. It's unnecessary and rude. Needless to say, I will NEVER go back there again. Do not waste your money or your time. This is not a true Day Spa, it's a scam to get as much money out of people as possible. This woman knew nothing about skin and just wanted to try and upsell me things and bleed money out of me. Do yourself a favor and go literally anywhere else. read more

I found this gem on Groupon. The spa is very relaxing. Rita performed my massage she was awesome!! She targeted all pressure points and muscles. I will definitely be returning for another visit. This is a perfect place to relax and be pampered for a couple hours. Happy customer read more

This started as a 58$ massage which I paid at the door. BEWARE!! do not accept anything you didn't already sign and pay for at the door. On my way out I paid another 60$ for 10mins worth of cupping. Which she briefly brings up during the massage, not really telling you it's an EXTRA CHARGE. She will hide it with all the other chatter about package deals and services that you apparently need. oh and other people walking into the room during the massage, not cool. read more

Took my friend for her birthday. The message therapists kept trying to get us to buy other products and services after us repeatedly saying no. This is a time for us to relax, not get harassed to buy more than what we came for. They kept messaging over our bones and not the muscle and would go over the same spot over and over and over without moving or changing the message technique or anything. Our bodies were bruised all over the place afterwards. Never going back. read more

I got the Groupon spa day package which included a facial and a massage, and it was just a wonderful experience! Seline used the best amount of pressure on my back, shoulders, and neck which were long overdue for a massage. She also did a wonderful job on my facial. My friend had Cici and she loved her as well. I can't wait to go back!!! I would highly recommend this spa for a relaxing experience read more

My sister got me a spa day for my birthday, so my day stated at 12 noon everything was good at the beginning, until she stated the massage, I couldn't relax she keep telling what I need and that I had to pay extra, I agreed and got couple things extra which it was an additional $149.00 outside of the gift card which it was $130.00. " That place is a rip off "at the end Selina was try to offer me some crazy package for $1300.00 and she shames me for that given her a good tip and I was forced to tip her $20.00, so my total was $299.00. They should be a shame of outrageous prices and the service. read more

Terrible. Uneven eyebrows. Left scratches on back from massage. Hidden fees that they charge for.

Had micro blading done by Jennifer herself today at Jennifer Day Spa in GreenBrook. I was nervous at first due to the bad reviews on yelp. I was greeted with smiles and was immediately taken to a comfortable room with relaxing music. The experience was painless and more important , amazing. I know have beautiful eyebrows. read more

Super great massage from Ella at this neighborhood gem. Ask them for the Groupon price and they will honor. If you put the cabash on the upselling right from the beginning it will be completely silent !! Ella is strong. I had the deep tissue massage and she was very thorough and complete. I asked for more attention on my feet and it was the best foot massage Ive ever had. Will def be back. Dont forget to tip on the full price !!! read more

I'm a male lost my hair due to illness, so I wanted my eyebrows done (micro blading) this was the worst experience. She started cutting before I was numb and she knew it hurt. My eyebrows are uneven and look like they were color in with a marker. I'm Looking to get them removed it's so bad, I'm on chemo and I really don't need this stress I hated looking in the mirror when I lost my hair now I hate it even more. Very stressed and disappointed read more

Definitely steer clear from this place. It is like walking into a High Pressure Dealership in the automobile industry if you know what I mean. One stop in this place, you could be ripped of thousands of dollars to services you don't actually need. One of the girls told me it is the owners of this place push them to sell every expensive products/services to the clients. And review their performances constantly based upon that. So for example, when you just want to get pampered, relaxed while getting a basic facial, the girl would talk non-stop trying to get you sign up to expensive packages for things you don't need, Embroidering Eyebrow, eye lashes, PRP treatment ... just to name a few. Stay away from this place is my honest opinion based on my painful/frustrating experience dealing with this SPA place. read more

they used extra extra bleach (Clorox) in order to sanitize the salon. You literally can smell as soon as you walk in. I had throat infection from that over sprayed bleach everywhere and got fever same day in the evening. Never recommended to any one ever again. Service was okay too not really happy. I would give 3 stars for service. read more

They ruined what had been a great experience by pushing sales/upgrade on us. I bought the couples facial and massage package from Groupon (~$100) which includes a 60min Swedish massage and 60min facial. As soon as you walk in there is a sign advising Groupon customers what the tips SHOULD be depending on which deal they bought. We didn't think much of it at first as the tips seemed quite reasonable. After settling in they began massaging us and suggested we get the deep-tissue massage for an additional $10/person [the lady working on my husband didn't speak English very well, so she kept speaking to the one working on me so that she could offer us things]. We agreed to have the upgrade as we has just returned from vacation and had drive +10hrs home so our bodies really needed some TLC. The massage was perfect, nothing to complain and nothing out of the ordinary. Once the massage was over we moved on to get the facial. After a couple of minutes [and the ladies talking to each other] the lady doing my facial says we have oily skin and suggests a microdermabrasion for an additional $50! I say "no thanks" and she asks "why"...??...So I tell her I've done it before so I didn't want one. At this point she lets the topic go, but just a few minutes later she tells me I should get facials more often while telling me that my skin is nice...??... The facial was also very good. The terrible experience came once we went to pay for the $20 upgrade. They mention some B.S. taxes and it comes to almost $30! The lady then proceeds to offer us a gift card for another massage and facial for $150 and we decline and again she asks "why"... we say we don't want it and we'll come back when we need another massage. THEN, the owner [I'm guessing] steps in and says "why don't you want the gift card, didn't you like the massage?" and this went on for a few minutes while they processed our payment. We did like the massage and facial that we received, but their pushy sales really turned me off from possibly coming back. read more

I've been coming here for a few years now. Great prices and really nice staff. My massages are great and they have a variety of services. I love it! read more

I almost cancelled my appointment after reading all the bad reviews. I'm I'm glad I didn't. Pretty good massage for the price. At the end, they asked me if I wanted to buy another Groupon priced massage . I declined and they didn't push it. I wasn't offended by it. They are trying to make a living. Yes, they do have a sign about tipping. But that is to protect themassage therapists. A lot of people aren't aware that you're supposed to tip on the full price and not on the groupon price. I paid for a deep tissue massage so the pressure was really good.Deep tissue massages press harder and are usually more expensive than a Swedish massage. read more

When I arrived, they asked me if I wanted to buy a package of massages for a discount. I told them that I had never been there before, and they insisted that a package would be great, as the day's massage would be cheaper. I told them that I'd make my decision based on how the day's massage went. The massage was just meh. Requests to concentrate on my upper back were either forgotten or ignored. I asked for and paid for an hour massage, then paid extra for a recommended cupping treatment, but the total time of the massage and cupping came out to just under an hour, with the massage ending at 45 minutes. I was given the hard sell again for the last 15 minutes of the session on the package discount. At that point, I knew I wouldn't be returning. When I declined, there was a real change in the way I was spoken to; the t-shirt that one of the employees was wearing seemed to say it all - "GOODBYE BAD LUCK GOOD RIDOANCE" [sic]. read more

Jennifer Day Spa - One of the employees wearing a shirt that reflects the sentiment you'll experience if you refuse the hard sell for a package of massages. - Day Spas Near Me - Green Brook, New Jersey

I bought my mom a Groupon for this place for Mother's Day. The same day she went I decided to purchase a Groupon for myself. The entire facial time the aesthetician was trying to sell extra treatments to us and sell the products in the salon. Once or twice is okay and that is totally fine with me. I get it that's how sales works. But I kid you not, they mentioned buying extra products or extra treatments every 5 minutes. It took away from the relaxing portion of the facial and honestly I felt more stressed then anything. It sucks because they did do a really good job with the facial. My skin feels amazing. But I would not go here EVER again. read more

If you want a nice massage where you leave the Spa all relaxed, DO NOT GO HERE!! The massage itself, is fine. Average, but fine. But when you go to leave, OMG! They try....no, insist... on selling you a package. No matter how many times you say NO, they do not stop. Then...they try to get money from you any way they can. In my case, by telling me my Groupon was only good for first time clients (was my second time there). Then, when i got mad and said I'm never coming back, they promised the Groupon price for all future visits? I left there more knotted up than when I went!! I will never go there again...not worth the discount. At all! read more

ACCURATE INFORMATION: if you are looking for a soft, tranquil massage this is NOT the place for you! The type of massaging done here focuses more on muscle aches and tension and being able to realign the muscles. And if that's what you are looking for it's AMAZING. This is my first review ever and I also want to say I was extremely hesitant to come here after reading all these nightmare reviews. But I had an overly pleasant experience. I got a 1 hr Swedish massage. The massage therapist I had was Coleen and she was very attentive. She asked me of my problem areas, constantly made sure I was comfortable with the pressure she was using and also recommended some therapies to help me with my chronic pain. I would say this style of massaging is a combination of eastern and western... they use their whole body to massage you and focus on stretching, kneading and massaging stress areas/ pressure points. ( along with the smooth strokes) I have chronic neck and back pain from injuries and the massage today has given me the ability to get a break from the pain. I will be returning for more massages! -Hope this helps someone find the answer they are looking for!!! read more

This location is nice, clean, and always has availability Erica has the hands of an angel. And River knows how to apply pressure when you need deep tissue. Aside from a massage they also stretch your limbs and head. They're knowledgeable and work with your needs. read more

Been there 9 times for deep tissue massages plus a few cupping treatments. For the price, you can't beat it. If you are looking for a Swedish "Bliss" massage... this isn't your place. Yet if you want a great, affordable deep tissue massage for much less... this place is perfect. I'm 45 and active in sports, why pay twice as much for ambiance when I just need the knots in my back taken care of. read more

Worst experience at a spa ever!!! Bought the groupon for a couples massage and facial for my boyfriend and I. I made the appointment for a hot stone massage. The entire time during the facial the woman kept telling me how horrible my skin was and how I need to buy treatments. When I told her "no thank you" she asked my boyfriend if he would pay for it to get rid of my horrible acne. We were given a Swedish massage instead of a hot stone massage. I was sore for 3 days and had bruises in some areas even after I asked her to soften her pressure. I'm a waitress and carry a lot of tension in my shoulders. Because I was tight she told me that I don't drink enough water and I don't take care of myself well enough. And that I should once again buy another treatment to solve this issue. I have never left a spa feeling not relaxed and bad about myself. All I wanted was a nice and relaxing experience for my boyfriend and I when all we felt was harassed by the upwelling and embarrassed for the money we spent on this terrible experience. read more

This place is fraud. They will push you to do additional services and then overcharge you. They forged my credit card payment and added tip when i did not leave them. Very rude to try to get your money back. The massage was not good at all - the lady was rushing so she can push me into buying other services. I am very disappointed at Groupon for dealing with such fake places. Interestingly, I tired to post a bad review on groupon but they indicated that they will "contact" the provider privately and not post it publicly. They are also engaged in similar fraudulent pattern to push people to but their products. read more

I purchased a Groupon for Jennifer Day Spa. Calling to schedule my appointment was no problem. I asked if I needed to show up early to fill out any paperwork, as is the case with any other spa I've ever gone to. I was told no, that I just needed to come 5 minutes early. I arrive early. I give the woman behind the desk my voucher from Groupon. She sets up, asks me if I need to use the restroom, I don't so she brings me into the room. When I tell you the room is tiny, I mean tiny. The table is against the wall. The woman, Angel, tells me to get undressed, leave my underwear on and hop on the table. She leaves so I can do this. This is when I notice the table I'm as out to lay on. There are no blankets - I am about to lay on a towel. A towel that you would use at home that's been washed one too many times because the seams are falling apart. At this point I'm worried about the quality of the place I've gotten myself into. But since I've paid for this service already, and the towel looked clean, I hop on. Here's where things get weird. A massage is supposed to be relaxing. Tranquility is what you expect when you get a massage. I'm laying on this table when Angel walks in. She proceeds to yank the table away from the wall, because she couldn't have done that prior to me getting undressed. She's massaging me over the other towel (no blanket, again). I'm thinking, I sure hope I get a real massage, since it was supposed to be a Swedish one. About 10 minutes in we get to the real massaging part. Remember when I said massages should be relaxing? Well Angel must've forgotten that. She moved so quickly that I couldn't even take a breath - she was knocking all the air out of me. At this point she tells me to relax! I told her that I was trying to relax. She yanked the massage table to move it no more than 6 times during my massage. She was nice enough, but I don't think she is a licensed massage therapist. Women were yelling outside the door in another language, presumably. It sounded and felt like a stampede outside the door for the majority of my massage. Now, let's get to the check out part. This was the absolute worst transaction I've ever had. I give her my tip, she tries to sell me a package (there's no way I'm coming back here). I go to leave and she tells me that I have to pay $3, for the sales tax. I look at her confused, because the Groupon does not mention this. I have purchased Groupons where it mentions it on the fine print, this one did not. I show Angel my Groupon and Jennifer Day Spas CURRENT Groupon, and no where on it, not even "the fine print" does it say this. Angel tells me that I have to pay sales tax for every Groupon purchased, which is inaccurate. She says oh, maybe they forgot. I reply that every single massage place I've been to has forgotten to charge me sales tax? Doubtful. Keep in mind that I did not bring any additional cash on me, just what I was planning to give for a tip. I tell her I don't have cash. She tells me I can pay with credit. I have my debit card in my hand, but she wasn't taking it from me, I assume because we were still discussing the tax issue. Angel calls over Jennifer, and Jennifer says no, every Groupon customer pays $3 tax. Jennifer grabs someone else's Groupon and shoved it in my face saying it does. I told Jennifer to not shove anything in my face. Angel is raising her voice in the background that she's not getting the $3, it's the fee that Groupon charges they are trying to recoup. Things escalated far too quickly over $3. I felt like I was being attacked as a 3rd employee jumped in. Still, I have my debit card in my hand and Jennifer is arguing with me. I repeat that maybe on a different Groupon they offered it was posted correctly. My Groupon does not mention tax. The very same Groupon I purchased is STILL available so I try to show it to her that it does NOT say tax. As a business owner myself, it's not about the $3, it's that for simply pointing out that the Groupon that I purchased makes NO mention of tax, 2 employees and the owner flipped out on me, in front of customers. I said to Jennifer that your current Groupon makes no mention of sales tax either, so maybe there's an error with the posting she has on Groupon. I'm still being yelled at, and I can't understand half of the things being said because they are speaking to me with very thick accents and so fast. She was so angry, and I couldn't understand why. I was calm the entire time. I did, however say that if $3 meant that much to them, that I would never be back. I guess $3 from a brand new customer means more to this establishment than repeat business. That's bananas to me. All in all, I would never, EVER recommend this place to anyone. If I could give zero stars, I would. Sometimes you just get what you paid for, and I paid $35 for a massage from Groupon. Any little bit of relaxation that came out of this massage left because of Jennifer, the owner and her conduct toward a first time customer. read more

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SCAM ALERT !!! People with #Groupon be aware!!! They will scam you to pay for "Groupon Tax" of $5 dollars regardless what Groupon you have and without additional purchase. Luckily I read the previous reviews here before going and was aware of the scam. I told them that I am willing to pay the $5 dollars "Groupon Tax" but I wanted a receipt and will bring this to Groupon's attention. I told her that I bought hundreds of Groupons and was Never charged by other vendors on taxes unless I purchase additional services. Then once she heard that I will contact Groupon, she walked away saying some thing and another guy who was with her told me to "forget it". WTH! Also, it's true! They will hard sell you on membership and products read more

If I could rate this experience as a 0 out of 5, I would. Not only was I treated with extreme cruelty the entire time from entering the establishment to leaving, but I was also MORTIFIED by the lack of professionalism and cleanliness/hygiene of the entire process. I was incredibly disrespected more than once by Linda so much so that another client stopped to ask me if I was okay. DO NOT GO. read more

If I could give zero stars I would. I called to book a cupping session. I had a few questions and was asking them. The woman I spoke with was extremely rude. Rude isn't even the word for it. She then proceeded to tell me that she won't be booking anything for me because I'm being too difficult by asking questions. Customer service is awful. They don't care about their customers. Save yourself the aggravation and purchase treatments with another business. Extremely unprofessional. read more

Worst experience of my life! First, when I went there, I had to wait for around an hour. The man at the reception offfered me the same price as Groupon because my groupon coupon didn't work. I was in a room next to another lady who was also getting eyelash. The girl working there told me that the Groupon lashes were "cheap" and if I want a better quality one, I should pay an extra $50. I politely declined but she kept on insisting. She even touched me to push me to buy the extra package. This was not my first time to have eyelashes. Also, being a nail salon owner myself, I can easily tell if someone is doing a good job or not. Since the begninning, I was so uncomfortable because she kept on touching my nose and lips through the service. It was really annoying and showed her lack of experience. After 40 minutes a guy came in and they both screamed at each other in some foreign language. Within a minute, she left and another lady came in (probably the owner) to tell me that the work is done and I can leave. It was shocking and I wasn't sure what exactly happened. I went to the restroom to check my eyelashes. And, I realized that the eyelashes were not complete and there were some missing parts on my left eye. I approached the owner and asked for the girl who was doing my eyelashes so that she can complete my set, but I was told which was horrifying, distrubing and completely discriminatory. She said and I quote, " you are from Groupon, so you can't expect the quality service. You are too picky and if you want to be picky, you better pay extra for a better service". I was compeltely in shock and I do deal with Groupon customers on a daily basis at my nail salon. I told her that "I'm a owner of a nail salon and I offer Groupon even if I only get half of the half of the service. I don't discriminate them and don't push them to go from gels to Acrylic nails! I'm not complaining about the quality but the quantity." I am not sure if she know the difference between quantity and quality. Because, her response was again based monetory values. She told that she knows that the quality is bad and for that reason, you have to upgrade and pay extra. I told her that I can't go with incomplete set o eyelashes anywhere. Can she please remove them? But, she told me that I won't be getting any money back in that case. In the time beign, she realized that my eyelashes are actually not even complete. She finally completed my set after wasting so much time. Even then, she kept insisting that I will have to upgrade next time. But, there will not be any next time. Regarding this salon and this groupon offer, everything is just bad. Customer experience is 0. If I can rate them less than 0, I would. Quality of work is 0, Professionalism is 0 Please DO NOT go to this place. This is a complete unprofessional place and they have no respect for customers at all. I wouldn't have gone there if my the lady who regularly does my eyelashes was in town. Eyelashes are glue in eyelids not eyelashes. They use a black glue it looks like if I had strip eyelashes from a drug store!!! P.s the only people rating this 5 stars are Chinese that it's sketchy to me! I would say they know each other. read more

This spa location at green book , they didn't honor Groupon deal . They canceled my appointment and find any of excuse to refuse reschedule my appointment when they know I'm Groupon voucher customer . They suggest me canceled Groupon deal and buy direct from them keep same price . I was their old customer, one of the massage lady told me about their business secret rule , 1. They won't do the good massage service if customer use Groupon voucher since the price is cheap . 2. They say American like buy Groupon deal other than Chinese willing pay full price service . She said , American is so cheap behave. 3. Since they don't like Groupon deal , they suggest customer canceled the deal , ask refund , then direct pay to the spa same price as Groupon. Only for new customer use once . 4. Other reception staff said every customer can use Groupon not only once but six months later . So confused info and they dishonest their promise and rule . Bad business trick is , they cheating Groupon, they want use cheap price to attract customers from Groupon, but pursuit customers to refund , they don't want to pay Groupon service fee after steal customers When you are in massage , the massage ladies have been trained , constantly bother customers to buy more expensive service , no peace in massage at all ! Illegal massage spa type service . Wendy read more

The massage was nice and relaxing. The facial was tragic though. The next day, I broke out all over my face. They products they use look very cheap and not good quality. Like they picked them up from the dollar store. And they clearly saw that I had oily skin and used all these creamy, poor quality, pore clogging products. So apparently they don't care about their guests.‍ read more

How about we all report this place to the better business burrow. The massage was less than relaxing even though she did a good job. It was very uncomfortable and the towel that was covering me was still as to show my "bits." She kept getting on top of me and spreading her legs on top of me which made me very uncomfortable. She kept trying to up-sell me and changing prices when I said no. Then at the end, she was trying to sell me a $700 package and when I said no, she changed it to $500. And offering me cupping, facials and hot stone massage. I was honestly expecting a "happy ending" the way this place was talking And I was a bit scared to be asked that. All I can say is never again! read more