I will never have a single bad thing to say about this place. The staff is truly filled with joy, grace and kindness. They treat you like family and even though I've become a regular, I've also seen them treat brand new patients as family as well. They truly care about their patients. And it doesn't hurt that their new building is as BEAUTIFUL as they are! They've made a move to a new location and they took the time to make the environment truly feel like home. read more

OKC Smiles - Cosmetic Dentists Near Me - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

Went to this dentist for years- over a decade actually. Chelsea always did my cleanings and I was always pretty happy with her. One doctor had left this office and they got a new guy. Ever since then things were different. The last two times I went for a simple cleaning I was charged around $70. First time I was told it was for Xrays. Weird I had to pay out of pocket but I just accepted it. Went back earlier this year and paid MORE than the last time, it was $90 something for just a cleaning!? Then suddenly Renee informs me I'm out of network. Couldn't have told me this before? Especially considering I've been loyal to this office for 10 years?! I called to question it and they said they might've charged me for my DADS exam or something. I haven't been under his insurance in years. Renee was out of office so the girl told me they would call back and refund some of it. This was five months ago. Needless to say that refund never happened. Thanks okc smiles, I won't ever be back. Super upset I've recommended people here in the past. read more

I have never in my entire life been so humiliated, and treated so badly by people that claim to be professionals. In my opinion the treatment that I received was based solely on my skin color. I was talked to like I was not even human I was told one price but was charged another and mind you I paid out of pocket CASH no insurance no payment plans nothing then for the dentures to not even be made correctly. At the initial consultation I was told that permanent dentures were included in my total pricing but when i went to the appointment that was set for them to be made permanent there was a sudden charge, how ?. So not only am I walking around with "healing dentures " and not the permanent ones I was told came with what I paid I now have to go to another dentist and come out additional money to get permanent dentures. I would never recommend this place to anyone, not even an enemy that's how bad and horrific my experience was with OKC Smiles ! read more

This dental office is top- notch. I was concerned after needing to change insurance companies earlier this year. I had to give up my old dental office. But. DR Thaler and the whole crew made me feel so comfortable. They work ive had done was excellent. I look forward to my next visit. This coming from a one- time Chicken! ​​ read more

I'm speechless after getting two teeth extracted. I need help today and they provide in a big way Thank you all very much Dr.Murray,Rena and Terry . I feel blessed bye god and you all to have people like you to help me out in my time of need . Everyone was so respectful and kind . I love you OKC Smiles for you high standards! read more

So impressed with this place! Our family of 4 (including a 5 and 3 year old) were able to all come in together for exams and cleanings. They were so professional, kind, and patient with my boys. Our hygienist, Dom, did a great job educating us on ways we can better take care of our teeth, and what our treatment plans will look like. Dr Murray was equally as attentive and great with the boys. After trying multiple dentists, I think we've finally found a place to stay! read more

I hate dentists. I hate going to the dentist. I have never been to a dentist that I trust. Until now. Dr. Phan and his staff are caring, kind, and they listen. They do not push treatment, and they explain everything. They are considerate of a patients tolerance level, and work harder to ensure their patients comfort more than any other practice, ever. Thank you, OKC smiles, for helping me have a positive experience for something I never look forward to. Your practice has turned this frown upside down! read more

I have been going to OKC Smiles approximately 2/3 years and my experience with them has continued to be amazing. I have been able to successfully convert my fiance over to OKC Smiles. This review is not appointment related but a testament to how you are treated. In September, I lost my grandfather and had to cancel my appointment due to financial reasons. A couple weeks later, we received a card in the mail expressing their condolences. Thank you OKC Smiles for being all the things I have mentioned in previous reviews but more importantly thank you for being so caring during a difficult time! read more

Had my wisdom teeth taken out by Dr. Murray! From the consolation to the procedure, the staff is kind, thoughtful, helpful and professional. Dr. Murray is friendly and calming. Going to the dentist is never fun, but they made the entire experience as painless as possible. 10/10 recommend. read more

I paid almost $ 3,000.for a set of dentures in Dec,2018 it is now March 4th 2019 and i still do not have them...I have worn dentures for over 40 years and have had several sets .This is the first time i have ever had any issue but they cannot make them fit properly...The staff is nice but this is ridiculous and I do not recommend them for dentures at all!! read more

All I can say is, "wow"! This dental office is amazing, from the time you walk in to the time you leave. Let me give you a little background on my teeth....I have always had perfect teeth, until I took the diet pill called Phintermine. After taking Phintermine(5 years ago), I have permanent dry mouth and that can cause tooth decay and other issues. Needless to say I needed a root canal, a tooth pulled and some cavities filled. When I came in this morning I was so scared! They took care of me and my procedure was pain free...yes even getting my tooth pulled was pain free. They really care about YOU as a person. Yolanda was so sweet and grabbed my hand during the difficult part of my root canal, she brought me a blanket and made sure my laughing gas was turned up! Because of OKC Smiles, they have shown me excellent dentists are still out there. I love them and I'll be back! read more

OKC Smiles - Lovely, I know! Me getting set up with laughing gas! They don't charge for it either! - Cosmetic Dentists Near Me - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

I had a great visit to OKC Smiles--and reading through the other reviews, it looks like this business is consistent in providing a really positive experience across the board. The parking was close & convenient, and the cleanliness of the office was one of the first things that immediately struck me. It was immaculate! Carrie greeted me at the front desk, she is so friendly and helpful. They had an emergency client drop in right before I came, and Carrie was so considerate in keeping me informed and apologized for the extra few minutes of wait time. Considering the emergency, they still got me started on my teeth exam and cleaning in good time, and I was finished by the time I had to leave for work. I really appreciated them being mindful & accommodating of my schedule! Cynthia was my dental hygienist, and she had such a friendly and engaging personality. I felt very comfortable with her, we held great conversations, and she did a wonderful job of guiding me through each step of our exam and cleaning. I feel like OKC Smiles is very updated on their dental technology, there were some techniques and equipment that I don't remember my former dentist having. And I can honestly say, after it was all said and done--MY TEETH NEVER FELT SO CLEAN! The cleaning was extremely thorough, but the information they gave me on my x-rays and teeth was also very informative and thorough, as well. When Dr. Phan came in, he went through the anatomy of my teeth with me, which no one has ever done. He helped me understand where my tough areas were to reach, so I know how to brush better. Dr. Phan had a very laid back & gentle personality, and I appreciated his dental knowledge & expertise! The staff, as a whole, really created a good environment. Comments & interactions amongst the staff were really light hearted & joyful. You could tell that everyone really gets along well & enjoys each other, that goes far in facilitating a positive work place, and it is a nice atmosphere to visit. A few additional perks--there were extra toothbrushes in the restroom & chapsticks at the front. These details are thoughtful since I always want to brush before my appointment & my lips tend to get chapped during. From updated technology, to a good friendly staff & accommodating details, this office has it covered! I would definitely recommend this dentist office to anyone relocating or looking to switch dentists--this office works hard to ensure excellence for their staff & patients. read more

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What happened? My first visit w/OKC Smiles, I was so grateful to them for helping me to undo the meanspiritedness and willful neglect of Dr. Ball - an Endodontist in Edmond, OK; gtateful for their cheerfulness, supportiveness, & devotion to the Christian faith;, especially that they were able to save the tooth worked on by Dr. Ball she insisted be pulled. On May 10, I received a phone call asking me to come in right away for my appointment instead of 10:00 a.m. I was driving on the street in front of their office complex & was there in 4 minutes. In spite of that, I had to wait 25 minutes for Dom. Dom, the Hygienst who had been so great previously, was really mean to me this visit, as were some of the other staff but didn't know why. I drove from out of state just to keep my appointment & to keep them as my dentists because I had been so impressed w/them previously. Dom wouldn't check a problem I had been working on with her while under her care. Dom simply guessed at the numbers:w/out taking measurements "Oh, they are all 2's now." She wouldn't talk to me about any concerns I had w/my teeth, which she was well privy to & Dom really threw a big stink when I asked if she would take x-rays or photos of the two teeth I tried to discuss w/her. Dom said she didn't think insurance would allow for x-rays or photos which was not true because I'd just talked to my insurance company minutes before the appointment. In spite of bantering back & forth severel times w/an angry attitude, Dom caved in; took 2 photos which didn't show enough detail of either tooth. On the way out, I asked Renee at the counter if she could e-mail me those photos & asked Renee to write the tooth numbers for the two teeth. When I received the email, Renee made sure she was difficult by not stating the specific tooth numbers; instead, only provided a range of three numbers for each tooth which was bizarre. During the visit on May 10, I told Dom I really liked the dental floss she gave me after the 1st visit. She told me the name of the dental floss, but made sure she did not put any in the goody bag w/the toothbrush & toothpaste. She also did not bother to ask me what day & what time 6 months from now I want to be seen again. She TOLD me when the next appointment will be but did not write it on an appointment card ti hand back to me. I made a special trip back to the OKC Smiles office from Mustang to get those two items. When I was at the office, the reception acted as though they were annoyed to see me again by handing me those things without even looking at me. The office texted a post-visit Survey. Today, I was getting ready to fill out the Survey, but it was accidentally deleted. I called to ask for another Survey. I thought I had a good relationship with Darian who was inctedibly nice previously. Darian texted me something about receiving future messages - which was not what I wanted - so I had to call a 2nd time & ask to resend the Survey. I don't know what the problem is - I had previously given Dr. Mark Phan and the OKC Smiles team a stellar Review for having helped to undo the disaster created by Dr. Ball. I am worried that their sudden unwarranted 180-turn around is due to the influence of Dr. Victoria Ball, DDS; an Endodontist in Edmond, OK (with invasion of the body snatcher tendencies) who makes sure the public only sees 5-star ratings and reviews on her websites but threatens & intimidates employees at the Oklahoma City Better Business Bureau, the Attorney General's office, and the Oklahoma Dental Board keeping them from posting Reviews I wrote about what Dr. Ball did to me on their websites for the public to see. (Dr. Ball refused to provide post-op care instructions in writing or give verbal care instructions, and attempted to time things - like a serial killer - so her work as an endodontist would fail. During the last visit with Dr. Ball, she was gruff and snippy; demanded the tooth be pulled; refused to answer questions & wrote a flaming, defaming letter to to the attending dentist at the time w/extremely personal, catty, insulting remarks & false statements & demanded he pull a tooth that did not need to be pulled at all: God & Dr. Phan are testament to this. read more

From my first appointment to the day this photo was taken, Dr. Phan and everyone that works there including Dr. Murray treated me with respect and genuine comfort. I went from crying at my first appointment because of the condition of my teeth to having the confidence to smile. If you go to OKC Smiles you won't be disappointed. read more

OKC Smiles - Dr. Phan and his amazing staff - Cosmetic Dentists Near Me - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

Felt mislead and unheard. I went in for a toothache. It had been almost 10 yrs since I had been to the dentist due to a traumatic experience. I went thru this all in depth with the hygienist who went over it with the dentist. They offered a sedation option, where I would be out for the procedure, which I thought sounded good. The next day I took the first pill an hour before the appointment and went in, was given more meds and told I would be out soon. I never felt like I was asleep. A short time later he came and was giving me shots to numb the area, during which I screamed in pain, some of the most painful shots I ever gotten, they also did NOT numb the tooth. At least twice during the procedure I asked for more gas or sedation as I was in extreme pain, and got ignored both times. This was a terrible experience and I felt as though I were never heard or respected and upsold the $380 sedation, which I don't fell helped, since I was in pain until the end and only passed out due to trauma at the end. Amended: I was called back by the dentist the next day to check up and he listened and was genuinely concerned. After going thru things with the dentist, it seemed that I may not have responded to the sedation in the normal manner. He made a heartfelt apology for my experience and did what he could to make it right. Excluding the sedation, which after discussion, I feel my case may have been an exception to the norm, the experience was fine. I will say the entire staff was pleasant and delightful. While I would most likely not opt for the sedation again I go back for regular treatment. read more

Top notch dentistry... I came across OKC Smiles a few weeks ago after receiving a message from Dr. Phan to give them a try. When I first walked into the office, the first thing I noticed was how clean it was. All the buildings in the area all appear to be newly constructed. I was greeted by the receptionist Carrie, and she was very nice, and professional. 5 minutes after filling out the obligatory new patient paperwork, I was called back by dental hygienist Kimberly. As we were running the regular tests, Kimberly explained what she was doing and what to expect every step of the way. For my 2nd appt, Tracy was my dental hygienist for my Zoom whitening. She was the same way. It was apparent that everyone loved their job. I meet Dr Phan a few times as well. He didn't fit the mold of a-hole self-important doc/dentist that I've come to expect. He knows his craft, and I think I'm done drifting to different dentists. read more

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My first visit was great. Free X-ray, cleaning and gas for anxiety. Very friendly staff and was able to get in quickly.

As a family we love our new dentist! Boys are 4 and 5 and they ask when can we go back? Hygienists took extra care to make my boys feel special and enjoy their time in the chair or throughout the X-rays. While my wife and I were getting our cleaning we received great advice and the dentist took special time to advise and help us make informed decisions! My wife just got a root canal and she needed extra care for her medical history. They responded to my emails and phone calls quickly and with sincere care! If you want a dentistry shop that cares, has genuinely nice and invested people.... Look no further! read more

OKC Smiles - We are super excited about our new dentist! Family of 4 and 5 year olds that ask when can we go back.... Loved it! - Cosmetic Dentists Near Me - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

I don't understand why all the positive reviews. I would agree very clean practice, respectful staff. I would agree, friendly, outgoing and courteous staff however they seem like car sales mans. Trying to butter you up, sale you a product and overcharge your insurance. I went to 5 different dentist and this company by far told the worst. Dentist stated teeth to be removed, cavities to be filled, my crown had to be redone, etc. I just don't see how this company can operate ethically and with integrity. Beware read more

Everyone is so friendly yet professional here! I came in for a cleaning and was taken care of by Gina. She was very sweet and helpful in answering my questions. Definitely will be back for my next cleaning! read more

Was in town for a friend's wedding and cracked my tooth at the banquet on a lobster shell. The locals at my table recommended OKC Smiles, and I'm glad they did. Called ahead and they saw me right away when I explained to them my situation. Dr. Phan was very friendly and informative. Gave me my options of crown or extraction and the pros and cons. I'm really glad he gave me all the information and allowed me to make the decision. Not pushy at all like other dentists I've seen. It really felt like he wanted the best for my tooth and I wasn't just another dollar sign. I went with the crown. He even introduced me to invisalign. I was always curious about invisalign and he answered all my questions. Unfortunately, I live in Vegas, or I'd definitely get that. I'd definitely recommend this place. I really wish we had a place like this in Vegas. Another bonus, the receptionists are all super friendly and very hot. Not that that should be a decision factor, but it was a nice bonus. read more

Great Place and more importantly Great People at OKC Smiles!! I woke with a painful wisdom tooth and started calling around to try to get in to see a dentist close to where I now live. After 3-4 failed attempts to get an appt at other places, I decided to check YELP and came across OKC Smiles and they had really good reviews (now I know why!) I called up and spoke to Jennee at around 10:30am and she had me an appointment at 12:15..Thank you Jennee!! I go in at noon and walk up to check in and I'm greeted immediately by Jennee and she remembers my name which was impressive. I fill out some paper work and off I go to get checked out. Jennee takes me back to see Gina (Boomer Sooner ) and explains to Gina what issues I'm having with my wisdom tooth and Gina goes to work, she takes a look at the bad tooth and then we get some X-rays to see what's going on. Gina brings in Dr. Murray to take a look at the tooth/X-rays and we talk about the the problems and determine the best thing to do is to pull it. Dr. Murray was concerned because of a facial nerve that is really close to that tooth and he made sure to numb that area really good so I wouldn't be in pain. He starts to pull the tooth and is checking with me to make sure there is no pain through out the procedure. All goes well and I even get a phone call later that evening from Dr. Murray to check on me. Thanks Gina & Dr. Murray!! This all happened on Thursday and I'm writing this on Saturday morning and I thought I would have a lot of pain afterwards, and I filled the prescriptions Dr. Murray gave me, but didn't need more than the ibuprofen. Needless to say OKC Smiles is where I'm going to get all my my dental work done from now on!! I even made an appt for a check up and cleaning before I left. If you need any dental work done give OKC Smiles a try, You won't be disappointed! read more

Do yourself a favor and never pay up front for services with these folks. My wife changed her mind about getting dental implants and it took 2 months for us to get our money back. Then they owed us money because they overcharged me, but when i got the check it wasn't signed....so here we go again....to try and get our money back. read more

I never thought I'd be able to have a truly great experience at a dentist's offices...I mean, come on, it's the DENTIST...and especially not if that experience included having a tooth pulled. OKC Smiles proved me wrong. I called them on a Monday morning in a lot of pain. My tooth had shattered late Friday night, so I'd spent a pretty miserable weekend. Their front desk woman, Renee, was super friendly and sympathetic on the phone, and fit me right in for later that morning. When I got there, they were just as friendly in person as on the phone, and my wait in the lobby was relatively short before they took me to the back. Once I was in the chair, the one thing that happened that made this experience a 4 star instead of a 5 was, after checking my gums, they started talking about some sort of gum therapy involving lasers? While that therapy may be perfectly lovely, they also made it very clear it wasn't something insurance covers and it was uncomfortably obvious for a moment that the dental hygienists are instructed to up sell patients. They were kid and backed off quickly after I said I couldn't afford that, however. The doctor was nice (although it seemed like she might still be an intern) and they got me taken care of as quickly as one can take care of ripping a tooth from your head. The front desk women were where I was once again really blown away, however, because when they informed me that my insurance was being difficult about paying any amount, she was very, very kind and got the exam/cleaning comped so I only had to pay for the tooth being pulled, and talked about my options going forward, financially. They were even great with follow up, and when I had to call in the next day when pain, they took care of calling in a prescription for me immediately, and checked on me a few days later. So while I wish all of Yelp great big shiny smiles forever, if that doesn't work out, I definitely recommend checking out OKC Smiles. read more

I recently visited okc smiles and I must say this is one the best dental offices I've ever been to. The office is CLEAN!! The receptionists are warm and friendly. The hygienist did a great job cleaning my teeth without hurting my gums. Dr. Phan was informative and friendly as well. I will definitely be coming back for all my future dental work. I highly recommend this office if you are new to the area and looking for a great dentist. read more

Excellent experience. The entire staff is friendly, experienced and professional. I felt very comfortable throughout my initial consultation and subsequent treatment plan. Most importantly they truly listened to me and understood my priorities. The office is very nice, well equipped with the latest technology and CLEAN! I love this dental office! read more

Awesome experience at OKC Smiles, I highly recommend this dentist office to anyone! It's in a complex with several medical buildings/offices so it actually took me a few minutes to find it and I walked in a few minutes late. The staff working at the desk were super understanding and so friendly! I hadn't been to the dentist in 4/5 years just because I wasn't having any pain or issues, and I was a little nervous about getting back on track. I first saw hygienist Gina, she was really nice and made me feel totally comfortable and at ease. I felt like she really listened to my questions or concerns, genuinely cared and made me feel better about it. By the time the dentist came in (I think Dr. Murray) I wasn't nervous at all. They went over x-rays and everything with me, just a few cavities, and talked about what I needed to do to keep my gums healthy. I left making follow up appointments with Renee who was very helpful, friendly, and laid out the costs. I wouldn't say it's on the cheap side, but I would say it's so worth it to have quality dental care. I felt like I was in great hands at OKC smiles and I left there feeling good, I can't say that about every dentist appointment I've ever had. I definitely will be back! read more

First time coming to this office. Everyone is super friendly! Dental Hygienist was great. I had some cavities and Dr. Pham was able to fill all of them that day PLUS take out a wisdom tooth. His dental assistant and him made me feel very comfortable through everything. I highly recommend OKC Smiles! read more

The staff is just the best of the best. They are so incredibly friendly and helpful. A few months ago, I went in for a cosmetic consultation with Dr. Murray and got a cleaning while I was there (it had been a while). It was an awesome experience. I ended up getting several cosmetic caps done and the process was so easy and the results are incredible. They were so patient with me figuring out what exactly I wanted and I could not be happier with the final product. I have never smiled so confidently! They've got a patient for life! read more

Amazing! My wife and I were in town to visit our grandkids and as she walked with them on Halloween night, she tripped and fell face-first into the sidewalk. Being from out of town I used Yelp to find the highest rated dentists in the area. OKC smiles scheduled us immediately. We are amazed and how professional, friendly, and reasonably-priced they were. Even though we have just moved from California to Missouri to retire, we will make sure to use this dentist for future care. read more

The office was very accommodating and friendly, letting me make a last minute appointment for teeth cleaning. The office was clean and staff was very friendly and efficient. Dr. Phan is the best! left the office with my teeth squeaky clean. read more

I was on a motorcycle trip across the Midwest. Foolishly I bit a piece of jerky and a front crown broke. Dr Pham and staff made room for me and took excellent care of me ensuring I didn't look like an old hag at our family reunion! Everything was top notch. Beautiful office and professional staff. Thanks!! read more

OKC Smiles is all smiles. Staff is friendly and very helpful. The hygienist are very knowledgable, and Dr. Phan is gentle, cool, and calm. For anyone looking for a new dentist, this is your place. They're totally willing to help with payment options for those of us who have less than stellar dental insurance. read more

I'm looking for a dentist in OKC and I picked OKC Smiles because of their rating on yelp. They were SOOOO friendly and I immediately felt like I had been going there for years. Thanks everyone!!!! read more

Had a great experience getting my teeth cleaned just before the holidays. I'm not a huge fan of visiting the dentist but Chelsea made my experience really quick and painless. Price was really reasonable and super friendly staff. Thank you!!! read more

Had a great experience yesterday at my initial dentist appointment! Gina, my hygentist, was so kind and really kept me informed on each process and the reasoning behind each step. Dr. Murray was also very professional and knowledgeable. So very happy to have found my permanent dentist office out here in okc read more

How many of you can truly say you are happier and in a much better mood after leaving a dentist office than before you arrived? I can! The staff at OKC smiles is contagious with joy and positivity. Everyone is happy, the smiles on the staff are big and bright and they make you feel like you are the best friend they have ever had. Dr Phan leads a team that is second to none in the dental business. I have had a lot of dentist in my lifetime but none better than Dr Phan. I am truly treated like a movie star and the feeling of happiness after a visit has me smiling for days and that's a good thing since they have made my smile so great with the awesome smile make over. It has been almost 3 years since I first met the team at OKC Smiles and I have been happy for my choice every day. OKC smiles changed my life. read more

Came in with a bad filling. I repeatedly asked for a referral if they weren't comfortable with the work. They passed me through each of the three dentists in their practice. They took me for upwards of $6000 and created more (new) problems in my mouth. I can't eat two meals without pain in my mouth. I will definitely recommend against their practice. read more

Simply the best! They are kind, compassionate and patient. These people are so attentive to every detail. They listen and truly care about your concerns. Me and my family live about an hour plus from their office. No matter the distance, these doctors are worth it. I personally have had difficulty getting and staying numb with prior dentist over the years. Not the case with OKC Smiles. They have been able to get me numb and make me comfortable every time. I have had both Dr. Murray & Dr. Phan work on my teeth. They both took the time to update me during the procedures and made sure I was comfortable. These doctors even call the evening after the procedure to follow up. I am truly thankful and feel confident when I go see them. They are also very honest, upfront & resonable with their price prior to any work so there is no big surprise/ confusion afterward. Jenee, Kimberly, Kinsey, Tracey, Chelsey, Sarah, Gina, Dr. Murray, Dr. Phan and all the team at OKC Smiles, keep up the great work! You are changing lives, one smile at a time! read more

I wish I could be one of the many people on here that is giving a glowing review, but unfortunately this was not my experience. I received treatment three years ago. I have had on and off pain from a root canal I received from them ever since. I went back a few months after my treatment since I was still in pain and was told it would just take time for the swelling to go down and they didn't see anything wrong.... After such a terrible experience with my root canal it has taken me this long to decide to try out a new dentist. Today I decided to try out a new dentist and what do they find in my x ray? I'll tell you, a broken tip of a dental file used in my root canal. I was NOT told about this occurrence after my procedure. Lucky me, I get to find out about it 3 years later. This business has done nothing but cause me physical pain and mental anguish. I've had jaw pain ever since my procedure, which by the way took 7 HOURS! I was physically ill for 3 days and had to take off work. When putting my crown on 6 months later one of the doctors cut my lip, and when I said ouch that hurts, he basically told me I was being a baby and to suck it up. Needless to say I never returned and now I am still having to deal with the horrendous service I received. Avoid this business at all costs. read more