I was very disappointed with John Day Contractor, especially after reading all of the great reviews given as of this date. I set up an appointment for a roofing estimate on a recent Saturday with John Day and after waiting 45 minutes after the scheduled time, I called and inquired as to where he was. The answer was that he had a scheduling conflict and forgot about our appointment. After some talk the appointment was re-scheduled for the next day, Sunday. Well he did show up on time, the first thing he asked when we sat down was to see the other contractors bids, I denied that request. Then up to the roof he went, I noticed that he did not have any paper, pen or measuring equipment while on the roof. We he came back in he gave me a verbal bid???? When I inquired on how he came up with his estimate without any of the items I mentioned above, he told me that is how his Grandpa did estimates and he learned from him. FYI John Day's bid was $4,000.00 over the other contractor that I ended up selecting. BTW I did go with another contractor and he did a great job and a review on him will be coming online shorty. read more

We hired them to do some basic repairs on a wood shake roof. And when it was all said and done, they did good work for a reasonable price. However, i should mention that at one point, it became apparent that they had not properly completed the job (but had already been paid). Then, they became impossible to reach... until I posted a negative review here. One I did that, they were extremely helpful--and finished the job promptly. All in all, I am still glad I went with them. As I said, they did good work at a fair price. And that's what I care most about. read more

Wow....my house looks amazing but this was a painful experience. Decent reviews led me to these guys. The owner, John Sr., is a great guy. His description of services was just what I was looking for. Lots of prep work, four days, and two days of painting. Being a contractor, I was glad he had the skill to patch stucco, replace some wood trim, repair my cast chimney and do the little things to make this paint job last. His son, John Jr., took over and did all of the communication from the start of the job. The first subcontracted crew was a nightmare. They spent four straight days doing prep work, but left after 3 hours each day.... This is dragging on..... The Johns were nowhere to be found. When I called to complain, telling them that we were heading into the holiday with no end day in sight, they fired the first crew and had to bring in another one. It ended up taking close to three weeks (less a couple of rain days). I was very clear that rushing the job was going to cost them a lot of rework if we were not satisfied. We did not get Christmas lights up until the 22nd. The communication with John Jr. was a nightmare. No returned calls and nothing but voicemail, workers complaining they were out of paint, not knowing about details of my contract and not being able to reach the owners. Once completed, John Sr. was back to collect his money and apologize for the communication issues. The place looks fantastic, buy I would have a hard time recommending these guys. You are really at the mercy of their subcontractors. If you get a good crew, it's awesome. If not, you have to rely on the professionalism of the owners. read more

After reading the only review for John Day, I decided to call. - It took him almost a week to call back - Set up an appt and he was a bit late - He promised to email the estimate the same day but never did - After a few days, I called, left a message about the estimate. He promised to get it to me by that night but never did. read more

After the heavy rain we received in Southern California, I noticed some leaking in my garage and bedroom. I had a roofer come out and do an estimate but I decided to call John Day after seeing all the great reviews he received here. John and his son came out the next day and did a very thorough estimate of the damage. I was very worried about having a mold issue. He checked the drywall, garage, and even went up on the roof (something the first roofer didn't do). John determined that the drywall was fine and reassured me that I shouldn't have a problem with mold. The real issue was that the roof tar paper needed to be changed and some cracks needed sealing. This was causing the leak in the rest of the garage and bedroom and if it wasn't repaired then I would run into bigger problems down the line. I was very impressed with John's overall honesty and ethics which is what sealed the deal for me. John and his crew came on time the next day to do the repair. He even answered repeated questions from my wife and I that made us feel at ease. They finished the job in the promised time and John even stayed a while to answer more questions that I had about other repairs. He even painted the stained plywood as a gift to cover up the cosmetic damage. For any future repairs or remodeling I will be sure to contact John Day again. He is very professional, honest, and reasonably priced. I have already recommended him to my family and friends. Thanks again! read more

A good/honest contractor is as valuable as a good/honest mechanic, and about as hard to find. When you stumble upon one, count yourself lucky. I lucked out big time with the John Day Sr and Jr duo. I recently had my parents' house fumigated as we are in the process of preparing it for sale. After the fumigation, the fumigation contractor surveyed the roof and explained that there were approximately 45 tiles that were cracked/broken and needed to be replaced. He provided a bid to do this work for $400, but I wanted a second opinion. I searched on Yelp for local roof repair contractors and contacted 2-3 for comparables via email (since it was over the weekend). John Jr called me back on Monday morning and offered to come by the house for a free estimate. I explained that I already have a bid but wanted an additional opinion to make sure it was honest, and John Jr was fine with that understanding. We scheduled a time on Wed morning and he arrived with his father about 10min early. I appreciated John Sr's direct and straightforward approach: they happened to be in between large projects and were interested in matching/beating other proposals. A fan of being direct myself, I explained the bid that I received and my reason for wanting a second opinion; I was concerned that fumigation crew caused excessive/intentional damage on roof tiles in order to get additional work for the repairs. John Sr surveyed the roof and reported more extensive damage than what I was told by fumigation contractor. This made me angry/suspicious at fumigation crew for giving me misinformation, but also relieved that I did get a second opinion. Instead of 45 tiles, John Sr estimated that approximately 84 tiles needed to be replaced. He offered a very competitive bid and was willing to do the work that day. I wasn't actually planning to decide right away as I had 1-2 other contractors who offered free estimates, but based on my impression of how they conducted/presented themselves I hired them on the spot. I didn't have my checkbook or any cash on me, so we literally agreed to the work with a handshake--obviously, they seemed trustworthy enough that I felt comfortable doing this. John Sr and Jr had another client appointment but returned later in the afternoon to perform the repair work. I stopped back at the house while they were in the process of the repairs, and John Sr shared that there was even more damage than he initially noticed; instead of 84 tiles they ultimately replaced almost 108 tiles. It happened that they purchased additional tiles as they were cheaper by pallet, but I was immensely impressed that they went beyond the scope of the proposed work because they had the extra material, and it was the right thing to do. I was downright shocked that they did not charge me any more. I actually felt a bit bad about this, but John Sr told me I shouldn't feel bad since he counted only 84 tiles with his own eyes when he did the initial survey and estimate. They completed the repairs and cleaned up all the broken tiles, without complaining about the extra work or showing any frustration. Because I live in LA, they even offered to stop by my home the next morning to collect the payment, and worked around my schedule. I was blown away with their service. In addition to the fine work they did on my roof, both Johns were actually quite the pleasure to talk to. We discussed a variety of topics, from celebrities and the entertainment industry, to John Sr's police background, to John Jr's future school plans, to HGTV and fixer upper projects, to restaurant and bakery recommendations---quite the gamut. I almost regret that I recently purchased a new home instead of a fixer, since I've now met some local contractors that I'd trust and enjoy working with. But, both John Sr and John Jr are young enough that there are plenty of years ahead when I'll hopefully have another opportunity to hire them (and chat more). In the meantime, I'll definitely recommend them to friends (and strangers) who are looking for a reliable contractor. read more

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY!!!!!!!! as an update to my review of john day construction, my roof is now leaking and damage to my property has been done because of john day construction's lack of ethics, morals, integrity and incompetence. he has breached our contract. i will now have to find another, this time reliable company to do the work, before my house is further damaged. as to mr. day,i have already had other roofing companies to examine the mess he left me and the shoddy and incompetent workmanship is appalling. they did not do what they were supposed to do and have refused to honor their warranty mr. day has victimized many others as is represented by the comments on yelp herein.i will be filing complaints with all pertinent consumer protection agencies, contact the senior abuse hotline and plan to take legal action against john day construction for a full refund of my $850.00. this guy needs to stop ripping off people and breaching contracts. initial action to protect my legal rights has already begun. john day has no shame, taking advantage of customers, ripping people off and his actions fall under special circumstances as i am a disabled senior citizen and a brain tumor survivor. read more

I got a great feeling from Mr Day after requesting 3 estimates from highly Yelped services for repairing my leaky roof. He and his associate gave me a fair price and were willing to get started immediately. They worked hard and finished the job that day, PLUS they did several additional smaller jobs, just to help me out. They were really polite and gracious: I had forgotten that some guests were coming over, and they just tiptoed around and kept the house so clean while they did the work, which included some repairs of interior water damage. When the job was done, Mr Day showed me detailed before and after photos of my roof. He made sure I understood what was being done throughout the day as well. He does not "cut corners" or take shortcuts that compromise quality. He has that old-fashioned, quality-comes-first, approach to his work, and it shows. Finally, he wrote out an invoice, and the price was actually lower than we agreed upon! This is an honest, hardworking American running a multi-generation family business proudly according to his grandfather's vision. I didn't think there were still people like this. I support and recommend him highly and without any reservations. read more

I got the LivingSocial deal and had to leave multiple messages to set up an appointment but I never received a response. I finally got a response after sending him an email. I had an appointment between 12-5pm and John was a no show/ no call. After, leaving more messages and still no reply from john, I decided to get a refund from LivingSocial. Horrible customer service! read more

Be aware, they are now selling roof tune-ups on Living Social as JLD Construction. My story is similar to the others. Bad news. The tile they replaced is now loose and I am trying to get them back out to repair it. read more

I used John for a $15k job that included significant painting, sealing, waterproofing, and a few other trades. I found him to be ~20% cheaper than other quotes, and I liked the fact that he spoke fluent English, and that he or his son would personally supervise the job. John is a "handshake makes a deal" sort of guy, but I asked for the details written out, which he did do (after a reminder). The work started on schedule, and ended 'roughly' on schedule... In fairness, my rather over-the-top attention to detail, plus a few extras I asked for during the work were probably contributors to the slight delay in finishing. In general, they did a great job and completed it quickly. Once the job was finished and paid for, I found a few additional issues which did take them awhile to come back and do. (Lesson learned: Inspect carefully before paying the final installment!) That said they *did* come back, with no complaining and no extra charges... In fact, when I had some issues in the rain ~3 months after their work, they came back again and fixed those too. What I liked about John was that he really does care about the quality of his team's work. For example, when I pointed out some issues about how our roof deck was painted and sealed, he literally re-sanded, painted, and sealed the whole thing again (which is basically an all day task for 2 guys -- not trivial). Overall, I recommend John as long as you have a bit of time to keep an eye on the work and the results... but really you'll need to do that for any contractor! read more

We contacted John Day to evaluate the roofs on our 6 unit townhouse association in Signal Hill, because the majority of the homeowners were experiencing leaks when it rained. We contacted multiple companies ranging from contractors to handymen to evaluate and provide an estimates regarding our roof situation and we eventually chose John Day. After myself and another board member met with him, we both agreed that he appeared to be the most professional, knowledgeable and genuine person we invited to look at our roofs. He made us feel confident that his team would do an excellent job and we learned by the end of the project, we were correct. His pricing for the job seemed to be well below the majority of the other estimates and he did more than what was agreed upon. He also did not try to give us a "hard sell" or "scare tactic" insisting that we needed new roofs (which we got from the most of the other roofers). In the end we ended up contracting him to repair two of the roofs and put new roofs on the other two. His team was fast, professional and everything was completed earlier than he scheduled and the final cost of the project matched the estimate to the penny. I highly recommend him! read more

My home sustained some minor damage to the chimney and roof from the winds. I called Mr. Day, who came by with his son on the same day. They did the repairs at a reasonable price. He was honest and very responsive to all my questions. Although he did the job right the first time, Mr. Day promptly came by a second time to place a rain guard I had subsequently requested after the initial visit. I was very impressed with Mr. Day's knowledge, skills, and responsiveness. I would definitely call him again for future jobs as well as refer him to people in need of his services. read more

I had discovered a leak in my roof and called John based on the reviews. John is the nicest and most honest contractor I have worked with. I would recommend him to anyone who needs help on a project. He fixed my roof and helped me prepare my house to be sold. His prices are very reasonable and he got the job done fast. read more

I called John Day based on the great reviews i read here on yelp, and am happy to now add my own review. I had a roofing problem where the roof leaked inside all along a seam where a porch overhang had been repaired. John came out and gave me a price for a "patch" repair that would be cheaper than redoing that whole portion of the roof -- but just as effective. Right away I appreciated his honesty and his professionalism. He also said he would make sure the various roof vents were all sealed up and just generally check out the roof as a whole, which I also appreciated. The repairs were done the next day and looked great. A week or so later the roof had its first test when it rained off and on for several days. Unfortunately, although the repaired portion was fine, there were a couple new leaks, one on each "end" of the repaired portion. I emailed John and he responded immediately and said he'd be out the following Monday (this was on a Thursday). He came out that Monday, found the problem, repaired it that day (no charge), and we've now made it through another several days of rain with no leaks or any other problems whatsoever. John Day did a great job. I'm thrilled with yelp that I found his company and just as happy to add my own review. Lynn E. North Torrance read more

I'm totally surprised by all the negative reviews. We are first time home owners and couldn't have asked for better service. They are honest, punctual and do wonderful work. I actually text John, to thank him, every time I pull up to our house when it's raining. read more

I'm not going to write a novel and explain to you how John Day earns these 5 stars. But will make is short and simple. John is an experienced, honest, and confident Contractor. If you don't call John Day for an estimate, I can say that you will miss out on what he has to offer. John visited my house last week, spent the time to educate me, and saved thousands of dollars. Great deal, and outstanding service. Why and how? Well, that's for me to know, and for you to find out. read more

Some of the tiles on my roof became dislodged a few years ago during an earthquake and I forgot to add it to my insurance claim. Well as life keeps me busy, I neglected my roof until a few weeks ago. I found the LivingSocial deal and purchased it right away. John Day Jr came out and fixed the tiles as well as another trouble spot that day for a reasonable price. The service was friendly and straight forward. I was pleased. read more

I found John Day through my Angie's List membership. I wanted to have my roof inspected and any needed repairs done. We had an initial glitch in scheduling due to some miscommunication, and John Day senior was incredibly responsive about fixing the communication issue and going above and beyond to take care of my job. He inspected my roof and gave me a quote, and I ok'd the work. Upon beginning the work, he discovered that one area was more serious than he had thought. He refused to accept any additional money for the added time that it took to fix the problem, and only reluctantly let me pay for his additional material costs, at my insistence! How many contractors, upon giving a quote and then discovering a problem, high up where I would never see it, would be so honest in telling the customer, and then would be willing to make the additional repair FREE OF CHARGE? I was flabbergasted. He could have just not mentioned the problem, done a patch, short term repair, and I would have never known it. But he's not that kind of man. John Day took the time to explain to me exactly what needed to be done and how he planned to fix each area of concern. He had to get some additional roof tiles, and made an extra effort to find ones that matched my roof instead of just buying what was easy to find (he had to go to a "boneyard" for my tiles, a place that carries discontinued ones). All of that time was not part of his original estimate, but he did what he thought was right to fix the problem the RIGHT WAY. I feel very confident that my roof is now in tip top shape, and I'm delighted to have met Mr. Day. We will be talking to him about future work, including a possible remodel! He's a rare find. I'm cutting and pasting this review on Angie's List, the website referral company I used to find John, because I want to let as many people know about him as I can! read more

I found this contractor through Google. Sounds like they are very busy with all the roof tune up promotions that are going on for them at this time. We had our schedules mixed up in the beginning but once we got it straighten out. John Day Sr. came out himself and took care of it. Luckily we have no major issues. I would recommend them. read more

i took the amazon local deal for a roof tune-up from Mr. John Day, things went very smoothly from setting up the appointment, John showed up pretty much on time, he seems very professional, went up to the roof, finished the tuneup work. He found some issue with the roof, which would cause leak if not fixed, he very patiently explained to me on the details with photos taken on the spot, the price seems reasonable to me, he then went ahead fixed the issue in a timely manner with promised three year warranty. overall i think John is a trustworthy and reasonable guy, i will use him again. read more

One of the good guys! John came to our home to do a simple roof tune-up. When he discovered a section of our roof was badly damaged and rusted due to shotty seals, he fixed the problem on the spot. His work is excellent, the before and after photos he showed me tell the tale. He's friendly and professional, and we'll definitely call him again in the future. Thanks John! read more

Honest, reliable, knowledgeable. What more can you ask? Feel lucky to have found him. Madelyn read more

I called John to have him take a look at a leak in our roof, which we sadly discovered during the recent rainstorm, and he was able to come out within a day of my call. He found the source of the leak very quickly, and had everything he needed with him to fix the problem. John quoted me a price that was very competitive, and he was so professional in his knowledge and prompt with his response time that I hired him to fix my roof the same day. I am so glad I did! In addition to fixing my leak, he did a tune up on my roof and cleaned all the leaves and crap off the roof, and blew all the leaves out of our patios. The roof (and my yard) looks great, they worked fast and he gave me a great warranty on the repair work. I could not be happier. read more

John Sr came out and took a look at a leak that was caused by a tree branch, in no time at all him and his son were on the roof repairing the problem! I am so grateful these guys are so quick and polite! Thank you so much. read more

We have an old 100 year house with a leaking roof. John came by at about 10am for an estimate. His crew showed up right away and had the repairs done in record time. My roof was fixed by 2pm that same day. Reasonable cost and quality work. John Day is the MAN! read more

Bought a coupon from Amazon Local for a roof tune up which included replacing tiles, sealing flashings, gutter cleaning, etc.. It was the first time I had ever purchased any of those local deals from Amazon, but I wanted to have maintenance done over the summer- They came out and did the job plus a couple of other things that needed done with a 3 year guarantee on the 2 additional items needed. They also cleaned up the gutters and roof on my garage which was not part of the deal. The guys are friendly, and stand behind their work. Great service all around. I've recommended them to my cousin who was also very satisfied with their work. read more

I had bought a livingsocial voucher for a roof tune-up and inspection from John Day. I had to make the appointment a long time in advance because he could not fit me in earlier. The appointment was for 10 am and I asked Mr. Day that if he could make it earlier on that day I would appreciate it as I would have to take time off of work. When the day of the appointment came he no showed me. I called and emailed him and after going to work, late, I received a voice message from him saying that they had an emergency and that he was giving me his personal cell phone number so I could call him to reschedule. I called and left him a voice message and he never called me back. Horrible customer service! I called Livingsocial and told them the terrible treatment I had received and that they should not be doing business with his unreliable person. Thank goodness I was given a full credit to my account. read more

I previously recommended him and his team for their hard work. After being a loyal customer of John's for more than two years, I have been very disappointed that he has not returned my phone calls. I have tried to connect with him no less than 12 times in the past three months, and John has completely ignored us. He even promised to call me back the next day on two occasions and never did. read more

Still catching up on reviews of contractors I've called and never heard again. John Day started out decently enough. John Jr. spent about an hour at the property looking at things, and he even went into the attic to assess how high we could raise the ceiling in the kitchen. His colleague went onto the roof to give an estimate of repairs/replacement. Curiously, they didn't measure anything. That was on May 17. John Jr. said we'd have a bid by Saturday May 18. I waited until May 21 to ask, figuring it's pretty optimistic to do a bid in a single day. John Sr. emailed me back that same day apologizing, saying he was tied up on a project but that he'd have the bid to me by the end of the day. The next day, I emailed again, since I hadn't received a bid. He responded on the 23rd, apologizing again, and said his son is explaining how I want to place linoleum over tile. I emailed back and said it isn't linoleum, it's either wood or wood laminate we were thinking of installing over the tile. The next day, I emailed and asked if they could please add an estimate of installing a gas line to the kitchen. I never received a reply to either of my last two emails, nor do I have a bid. Stay away from unprofessional people like this, they are not worth your time. If you don't want to do the job, be professional enough to say so. read more

John Day and John Day Junior are life savers not to mention totally adorable. They were the last of 10 contractors I had come in to look at my leaky roof and AC unit, which I was told had to be moved in order to repair the leak. Not only did they NOT have to move the unit or replace it (as I had also been told), but they repaired the roof and sealed another part pf the roof for less than 1/3 of all the others. And...they did it the next day and gave me a 3 year warranty bc they are GC's. I also got a $150 coupon off for mentioning Yelp. I would use them again for any repair or remodel - totally awesome. read more

Showed up on time, polite, professional, did the roof inspection as requested. An additional problem was found and fixed on that visit. No complaints about the work. My complaint is about the service, and hence the 2-star rating. I was never sent a receipt for my cash payment (the office was supposed to email it) -- which is going to make things difficult at tax time. I also wasn't sent the promised photos of the repair so I could address the cause with a previous vendor. Finally, John Jr. promised to come by after the first rain of the season to check on the integrity of the roof repair and that hasn't happened. An email reminder/request for the receipt and photos did not produce any result. I was going to go with 3-stars, but the corresponding "A-OK" made me realize my experience was more of a "Meh..." read more

I got my roof serviced via the Living Social total roofing tune-up promotion for the $75.00. John arrived about 30 minutes late. When he got there he was very nice and seemed very knowledgeable. I was very disappointed , however that what was supposed to be a $75 roof turned up turned into $500 in repairs. I was very apprehensive but he insisted my roof was in bad condition. For major repairs I usually get 3 bids minimum. I asked if I could pay by credit card as advertised on his site and he said it wasn't working and I needed to make out the check directly to him. Seems to me like he needed the money. Anyhow, I feel like I paid more than I should of for the work that he did but most importantly I feel like the Living Social deal was a scam. I'm sure he did a good job on the work that he performed in the 2 hours he was there but I am very disappointed that the deal turned out to be a hoax and I felt pressured into paying for $500 for the work. read more

Prompt, professional, courteous & conscientious - and on top of all that, he is a really nice guy! Look no further - this is the man you want. read more

I just talked to John on the phone in regards of a solar atic fan, today he came on time installed the fan then he found a hole on our roof that I was not aware of. I am so glad he came installed the fan and fixed our roof before winter. Very nice man very polite did not waste any time I am so glad I finally found a company that I can trust. read more

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY!!! As indicated by so many other Living Social complaints, I have to add my name to the growing list. We paid $79 for the roof tune up on Living Social and an extra $475 for the repairs from water damage that I supoosedly had. He is a very smooth talker. He took the check and cashed it 20 minutes later, promising to send an invoice by email later that night. After many phone calls and emails he has finally sent us an invoice for the work done in the amount of $425, almost 3 weeks later. I guess John owes me a $50 refund, since we paid $475. The gutters were also supposedly to have been cleaned and vents sealed with the tune up special. I had my son get on a ladder and check the gutters the next day. They were full of leaves and pine needles. I have been calling and emailing John since 8/23/16 to come back and clean the gutters. He makes promises and never shows up. These guys are jerks and rip-offs. Also, I called Living Social and they were of no help. They suggested that John Day mark the coupon un-redeemed, which he will not do, to get a a refund on the Tune-Up special. Don't waste your time with this company. He definitely will not get a good review from us. read more

John and his son came out to my home to fix a leek on my roof. They were referred to me from a neighbor. John and his son came out and "happened" to have the materials in his truck to fixed the leak on the spot. He stated the materials were left over from another job from earlier that day. I later learned this is one of his strategies to get customers to commit the same day to a job. His work was good and I scheduled an appointment for an estimate the following Saturday so we could discuss a bigger job. I called his son twice and he never got back to me a few days later. I finally got a hold of his son the 3rd time just to confirm the appointment and he stated he they would be there. Saturday came and neither of them showed. I called them 6 times and I could tell that they were ignoring my calls by the second call. They understood that I work at a hospital and getting a Saturday off was difficult. Please do not waste your time with JLD construction; John's son is costing the company a lot of business. read more

Great work and fair pricing! John and his team did a great job on our roof. They were also extremely efficient with their time - thanks again, John! read more

BE VERY AWARE! BAD Business ethics! I don't care how many generations you have been in business if you can't provide a service and repair, stand behind your work and return calls to customers who have PAID for a job that you obviously have no ability of fixing. BE VERY AWARE! I have paid $2000.00 to these two men for roof repairs, and I am unable to receive a call back. Actually, I have received a response, "busy right now will call asap". that was over month ago. BEWARE NEVADA, sounds like they have an office there too! read more

John helped us replace a shower stall, refurbish the wood trim and underhang on the exterior of our house, and built an enclosure to seal up the area above our front porch that tended to leak during the rainy season. And he did an excellent job with every single project we handed him. The first time I met him, he came EARLY to look at our roof. He puts you at ease and gives you honest feedback on what needs to get done, no more - no less. It turned our shower installment was a bigger job than expected but he got his plumber out and got the job done. That's what I like about him. Whenever he hit a glitch, there were no complaints or threats to increase the quote. Whatever he could managed, he just took care of and he didn't nickel and dime me for extraneous work. He even stopped by my workplace to show me paint samples so I wouldn't have to come out to the house. We liked him so much, we had his team refurbish, seal, and paint the boards around the trim of the house. And then he did such a great job with that, we had him close up an open area above our porch. Everything turned out beautifully. He has quality people who work with him and they are very professional. You get the sense that he's proud of his work and that's the best quality you can find in a contractor. read more