Wow, wow, WOW! I'm a huge fan of frozen cocktails when it's spring/summer time and South Seas without a doubt served me some of the best frozen daiquiri and margarita I've ever had. I didn't play putt putt, but this restaurant truly has it all. Food, drinks, and fun! read more

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We went in for a cocktail round 4pm on Saturday afternoon. We wanted to see if this was a place we could meet our young adult children and there friends that in town from Germany . We had visited Vernon Lanes on Friday. To have options... We ask to go the bar. Perfect have seat at the bar. Long story short, 2 different female employees were so rude , I went to the ladies room to wash my hands before we ordered a drinks while my husband was looking over the drink menu. I opened to bathroom door it wasn't locked and was immediately yelled . It was a female employee who was gathering her belongings off the floor, apparently she just finished dressing. Fishnets and all.... I apologized closed the door. Waited for her to exit, meanwhile 20 second later another female employee was standing at the back door , I walked towards her 2 steps and said on there's a downstairs also? She replied, no there's nothing downstairs for you. I turned around and walked right back to the bar where my husband was and the 1st female employee from the restroom was telling 5 other employees stand around the counter how rude I was and just walked in on her getting dressed. I never sat down , my husband said is she talking about you? I SAID APPARENTLY, He stood up and we walked out. Come to find out they had a upstairs rude staff read more

Came in the front door and were greeted by asking if we had reservations. The sat us upstairs next to the upstairs bar. We got the Volcano Tots and Egg rolls to share, yes they were scrumptious! I got the double cheeseburger with bacon! LOTS of bacon!! So good. The cocktails! Well it is a Tiki bar so yeah! Get one, or two, or if you're playing put put, get as many as you want! Just Uber home maybe. Overall, a fun place that has good food! read more

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First time at South Seas and I really liked the setup. Fun Hawaiian theme, but the mini golf side doesn't spill over with noise, so it still feels like a proper sit-down meal. The Miami Vice was phenomenal. One was plenty, strong but tasty. My friend raved about the espresso martini too. The pineapple fried rice looked amazing, served in a pineapple. But I wish it had more actual pineapple flavor or chunks. Steak portion felt small compared to the chicken my friend got. So that's something to consider. The lumpia with the dipping sauce was a standout. Really good. Overall, family friendly, fun atmosphere, and I'll definitely be back. read more

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Cute place and I like the concept but service needs work. We had a group of five sit down in order drinks and apps and the apps came pretty quickly, but the drinks took a second order a second drink and it took over 15 minutes so we ended up canceling the drink, but they kept saying they only had two bartenders, but the place wasn't even full. They definitely need to work on service. The loaded tots and dips were good! read more

This was one of the most badly managed restaurants I've ever been to, and it really is a shame because the food itself was legitimately decent. This was a last minute brunch choice for my top-tier chum who literally went to the school of hospitality and I on our last day in Louisville. We'd been looking at some of the gorgeous old houses in Old Louisville but couldn't find a brunch spot over there. I remembered that there had been some interesting looking establishments in Butchertown from our bourbon tour the prior day, so we came over here. It was a Saturday morning and decently packed, but South Seas turned out to be a weird combo of a brunch restaurant, a tiki bar and a mini golf course. Throughout our time there, young adult customers asked how to utilize the golf course, and the whole place just seemed geared toward more of a party at the beach kind of crowd versus a normal brunch crowd. I don't ultimately think that was our specific problem, but I'm guessing it didn't help that the business model was weird and it wasn't clear what they wanted to be. We didn't like the vibe immediately, and most of that was due to a specific waitress who looked like she'd rather be anywhere else than at her job. We waited for several extra minutes as she sloooowly walked from area to area, clearly disinterested in what she was doing. That wouldn't be acceptable if the place was super empty with just one or two customers, and it certainly wasn't okay when there were people waiting to be seated (and we noticed a lot of customers sitting at empty tables with no food and/or drinks). If we weren't on a quasi-schedule on our way to the airport, I probably would have pulled the plug right then and there and spent a few extra minutes trying to find a better option nearby. Thankfully we didn't get that specific waitress, and ours was at least a little friendlier and energetic. It still took a VERY long time to order and receive our food (we immediately requested the check when the food came up). It wasn't just the lackadaisical approach to service either - their payment system is incredibly ineffective (at least for this type of business, given how sluggish everything moved), where the waitresses just sat there for up to several minutes with those portable credit card processors at the table as the customers slowly went through the key prompts. What we both found mystifying is that the waitresses could have made lemonade from lemons and used those few minutes to quickly bus or visit other tables. They did neither, and the one waitress unprofessionally hung out in the accompanying booth for one of these payments with her knees on the seats just hanging out. We saw the manager pop out twice VERY briefly and not to actually manage - she quickly walked in and out, didn't address any of the very obvious service/hospitality issues going on in the restaurant and then...went back to the tiki bar, where she was just hanging out on her phone. Just terrible, and there's no excuse for it. If she'd been able to tear her eyes away from her social media feed for 30 seconds and actually see what was going on or not going on in the establishment she was allegedly managing, she could have told her waitresses to work with a sense of urgency and remember to smile every once in a while at the paying customers. Maybe she also could have taken the initiative to replace the toilet paper in the bathroom, but don't worry - my friend handled it free of charge. The South Seas French Toast? Really tasty, which means that the cook in the back at least knows how to work independently/without being managed (I guarantee they weren't since the cook wasn't stationed in front of the tiki bar). So many unforced errors. I hope upper management/ownership really takes a strong look at what happened here and makes efforts to fix it. But if your manager is just sitting on her phone instead of properly instructing the staff to do their job, she's the one stealing money from you, not them. read more

South Seas - South Seas French Toast. - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

Went here for brunch on Mother's Day. Quirky place with an indoor putt-putt course spanning two levels of an older building intertwined with tables/booths and a huge upstairs bar with festive lighting. We enjoyed the vibe - although it seemed like a tiki/Hawaiian-themed bar would be playing Hawaiian/luau-type music instead of random tunes. Anyway, no biggie. It's a cool place. Service was attentive though a bit slow at first, We ordered drinks - a Miami Vice and a Grilled Pineapple Margarita. They were decent, but didn't knock our socks off. Wife had the French Toast with a side of bacon, which they forgot, then upon bringing it to the table it was undercooked. I had the Cali Burger (double smashburger) with tater tots and it was a 10/10. Beware that some of the cocktail prices on the website are outdated - ours were $1 more than what was posted. Overall, the food gets 5 stars despite the bacon snafu - the flavors were that good. Everything else gets 3.5 stars. We look forward to going back for dinner at the upstairs bar sometime. read more

South Seas - Grilled Pineapple Margarita and Miami Vice. - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

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Cool location. Plenty of places to park. The food was not great. The crab Rangoon dip did not taste like crab. It was also a very small container. Not worth $14. We also got the pineapple fried rice with teriyaki steak. The rice was almost like wet, like overcooked rice. The teriyaki steak was also not cut up. It was on a skewer on the side of the plate. So had to cut it up and put in the rice. It was not the easiest to cut either. The fried plantains was the only good thing. I would not go there to eat again. Maybe just to play games and a strong drink. That's it. read more

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Ok, let's start with the positives. We originally had a reservation for 6 and ended up having more people show up than planned. They were easily able to find a corner round booth that fit all of us. So many thanks for that! And if you go, just know that even though parking is paid, they have a QR code inside that will validate and give you free parking so don't pay before you go in. The Brussels Sprouts and all our appetizers were quite good! The place is quite cute - a little small but charming. On to the disappointing part of this review. Our service was really lacking. The waitress would completely ignore my friend who asked questions and turned to talk to someone else at our table. At first I thought she didn't hear her but she did it multiple times and it was rude. She also forgot about us after the apps came out. We waited and waited and had to flag her down to order our mains. Then, the food that came out seemed like it had been sitting a while because several of us felt our dishes were lukewarm. When it came time to split the bill, she didn't remember what anyone had and had to go through each person, which took forever. We had another reservation at 8 and were late for that because of the hold up here. No joke, we arrived at 5:30 and did not get main food until after 7 and checks until almost 8 because everything was so slow. That's quite a long time, in my opinion. The bar service wasn't great either. We got ignored and drinks took forever to make. I don't know what was going on, but I wouldn't go back or recommend eating here based on all these factors. read more

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The menu is an interesting selection compared to other brunch spots in the area. The portions are large and everything we had was tasty. The breakfast potatoes are so crispy 10/10. There were only a couple servers but they were quick and super friendly. The overall place has a vibe, but it seems a little wore down . Like maybe the putt putt has taken a toll on the place and the elevator is a little scary. We had a delicious meal and lots of laughs playing some boozy putt putt. read more

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We came here for a girls Saturday brunch and it was the perfect vibe. Lovely remodel with the Hawaiian theme and menu. Brunch was delicious and we didn't stay to putt putt but will be back to do just that. Fast and friendly. Street parking is free or meters but the lot is pay per space. read more

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I was slightly nervous to eat here - only because of me being too picky for the menu. I was wrong. Plus, the portions are great! Island lumpia filled with meat. Six large pieces, easy to share or make as your meal. The sweet chili has a good kick. Queso was smooth and flavorful. My husband is allergic to plantains and they offered him flaky wonton chips. Cauliflower nuggets. So yummy that I don't know it was cauliflower. They come with several starters. The pork sliders were okay - I was surprised that despite the various toppings that I still found them a bit bland. Maybe it was because my starters were amazing? My husband got the pineapple fried rice. He liked it but didn't love it. I tried to tell him - it's a lot of pineapple. My Kona Wave draft was so cold! I was surprised it had so much flavor. At $4, awesome price too. Lovely service and we had fun chatting with our server. The downstairs area has comfy, huge booths. It's loud - between the people and music. They have an upstairs area as well that's open during busier times, plus the 9-hole golf course. We will be back! read more

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Fun place in Butchertown and super close to Lynn Family Stadium for Racing/City/Kings Games! Cute vibe inside, stays busy though so service may be slow. Burger and tots were great and a solid portion. Cocktails are a little expensive, $17 for soft serve margarita that is quick to melt. Fun rotating flavors, though (blueberry!) Would definitely come back for the burger and golfing, but next time I'll get a beer read more

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Got drunk, drinks HARD! Loved all the fried foods of course and they're pretty decent! Korean ribs my choice & they're okay! Crab Rangoon dip addictive cause I love the chips! Soft serve cocktai obvs yummy read more

South Seas - Soft serve cocktail - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

Extremely unfriendly and unwelcoming. I read so many negative reviews -- I thought I would give them a chance. I felt like my presence was an imposition and I will certainly not recommend nor will I ever return. The reviews were accurate. read more

While stopping over in Louisville for the afternoon/evening, I Googled what my family could do for the night. This place was came to the top and I am so glad I found this little gem of a place. I'm into tiki vibes and tiki drinks and my family can't say no to anything tropical, so this fun mini golf/restaurant/tiki bar was a great place to spend the evening. The mini golf course is creatively tucked into the building on two different floors. The holes are small but actually offer a decent challenge. Each one is uniquely themed after a famous tiki drink such as the Zombie, Saturn, and Jungle Bird. Such amazing creativity throughout! Now are the tiki drinks as good as the tiki golf? They are! And the best thing, you bring your drink with you while you golf. I tried the tried and true Mai Tai and my wife tried the Saturn. Both drinks were great. We liked the Saturn so much, I know make it on the regular at home. Staff and the vibe is laid back and very chill. Kids are welcomed to golf with adults so it is fun night out for the whole family. Prices are very reasonable for golf. We found a Groupon that made it even cheaper. Awesome and unique stop! read more

Great atmosphere and great food!! Best GF pancakes I have had at a restaurant!! Celebrated my daughter's birthday!!

What drew me in? Rumor has it (eg Instagram reels) that South Seas is a great date spot. Can confirm - it's fabulous for both a fun date or groups. And the menu - a unique blend of SoCal, Mex, and Hawaiian that you don't find anywhere else. What made my experience extra special? Two things - first, the half price Thursday margarita special certainly helped! The drinks were really tasty, each felt special regardless of the 'deal' whereas at other places it's a half hearted well drink. Not here. Second, the food was awesome. We split the appetizer short ribs which were delightful and generous, and the pineapple fried rice and still took home leftovers and I relished eating those, too. That elusive 5th star missing? Although it was a beautiful day, the outside patio wasn't open, and the upstairs bar was not open. Also, we had an unfortunate chip in a margarita glass that our server took care of right away. I have a feeling if I come back on a Friday or Saturday these areas will be hopping, and I'll update my review. I honestly can't believe it took me so long to get here, and now I can't wait to go back and try out more of the menu. Maybe this time with girlfriends for brunch or after a Racing FC game - easily walkable from the stadium! read more

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This is a fun joint in Butchertown. I went with some friends, got some drinks, chow, and a round of put put. Real solid, I would totally visit again. It's a fun place worth the money. Cool tropical drink selection too. The ambiance was neat and I can tell they put solid effort into it. Check it out read more

South Seas - California Double with cheese and bacon. Great burger, toasted bun, great toppings and tater tots? Good stuff! - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

We seen this place on Groupon and thought it would be a fantastic place to play mini golf! We weren't disappointed! Parking was easy and the place wasn't very busy. They did offer frozen cocktails and they were delicious. They offer food but we didn't order anything. The elevator was broken so you needed to take the stairs but you could take your drink with you. The place is massive and the golf holes were really big and fun! Overall I'd definitely return! read more

South Seas - Mini Golf Meets Tiki Dreams South Seas is what happens when a Hawaiian luau crashes into a glow-in-the-dark golf course--and I'm here for it. Upstairs is a mini golf course that's part amusement park, part fever dream: sea monsters, zombies, and planets all make an appearance. It's like if your favorite childhood nightmares met Pixar. The food? Delicious Pacific-Asian fusion that doesn't try too hard. The drinks? Beautiful and boozy. But the real highlight? Laughing so hard with old friends that I nearly whiffed a golf ball into Neptune's moon crater. Can't wait to go back, even if my golf game remains... unprofessional. read more

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First time here and excited to find a Tiki Restaurant in the area. The decor is super cute and if you want social photos, great place! The drinks and decor get 4 Stars! We went right when they opened so no one there but can imagine it gets super crowded later in the day. Immediately greeted and got a cute booth. Found it odd that their dessert was in a case at the front - felt like given the decor it should have had a cuter display. We had a Mai Tai and Saturn to drink and both were really well made drinks! Highly recommend the cocktails here! We started with Crab Rangoon Dip and Firecracker Lumpia. The dip was good and plenty but way too much cheese, overtook the other flavors. Plenty of wonton chips with it. Now the lumpia should really be called a Polynesian Egg Roll. Definitely didn't taste like lumpia and flavors were just okay. The main dish Char Siu Platter was plenty to share. Bok Choy was good and refreshing, served with steam rice. The pork was okay, nothing really specially and decent flavor but just like a pork you would put into your ramen. Mac Salad was pretty good. It's a fun spot and good to stop into for a drink. Like some Tiki places, drinks were awesome and food was okay (but you need to eat to support the stiff drinks - which are worth it). They also have a mini golf area which we didn't try but was cute. read more

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Service was a little slow but the drink and the food was yummy. The nachos were loaded and egg rolls were very filling. Both were appetizers but big enough to share. The outside patio was spacious and there was nice music playing. The putt putt was only two holes which is great for kids but I'm not sure how fun it is for adults. read more

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Decent experience here. Wide range of cocktails and a solid menu. Food came out fast and was great. Cocktails were just ok. Service and ambience were okay as well! read more

First time/ Last time. Service: horrible Ambiance: dark/ dirty Food: It was ok, a little to greasy. Paid parking lot. VERY SLOW/NON EXISTENT SERVICE. read more

Like a lot of other reviewers, the main issue is service. It was so beyond slow. Server would disappear for major lengths of time. Drinks took forever. Water never refilled. Food was fine but not worth the price. I chose this place to see some old friends and it really bums me out that our experience was so poor. I won't be back. read more

Went on a Wednesday night and didn't have to wait but they were fairly crowded. Side parking lot available. Friendly and efficient wait staff throughout the night. They have happy hour specials from 4-6 during the week and then also week day specific specials. Wednesdays they had $10 cocktails and also half price tap beer. Kona draft beer was $2! Enjoyed the crab Rangoon appetizer. Recommend the pineapple fried rice and sesame chicken. The entrees were a little pricey at $21-$24 but you do get a whole of food. read more

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This place should be everyone's cure for winter blues! Whether you have little ones with cabin fever; you have friends or inlaws to entertain: or just friends get together, this place has it all! Our group of 4 enjoyed a dinner of various goodies first. I loved their pineapple fried rice with Spam and shrimp. Hubby challenged their tots w that spicy sauce and loved it. Our friends enjoyed their ribs! Their drinks are no joke! They will not serve you The Zombie if there's not 4 ppl at the table, lol. The best part is that we got to play mini golf on a course that is intertwined into the restaurant. You must see this in person, my photos do not do the course justice. The theme is perfect. I can see a birthday party for young and old here; a baby shower or even a Bachelorette party would fit perfectly here. We'll be back! read more

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Came for the viral soft serve margaritas and left disappointed and in no hurry to ever come back!! We waited an hour for our food and it came out cold the waitress was not friendly at all. Very disappointed. Not their fault but I would not recommend sitting outside they're right next to the stockyards and it smells horrible so it wasn't pleasant but I get that they can't change that. read more

South Seas - Soft serve margarita - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

If I could give this place 0 stars, I would. We didn't event get to eat here. First of all, the area for some odd reason smells like a mix of bile, feces, and something rotting. It made my sister in law literally throw up and we had to put our shirts over our noses. We went in and waited at the "Wait to be Seated" sign for 7-10 minutes. We finally asked the people that were all huddled over an iPad that we figured worked there. They completely ignored us the entire time we were standing there. The guy was SUPER rude to my husband. The places was almost completely empty and most of the tables not bussed and dirty. We asked how long it would be for a table and they said that it would be AT LEAST an hour and half but we could play mini golf while we were waiting. We said no and left. They were very very rude. The whole scenario was bonkers. I don't recommend anyone coming here. read more

Honestly really disappointed, I tried the blackberry soft serve margarita and was having a (very mild) allergic reaction to, so I asked if there was anything else in the marg other than blackberry. The server said no, which I took at face value, I also didn't like it so I stopped drinking it. When the checks came I asked a different server if there was orange or pineapple to which they said yes. I explained my allergy and that I didn't like it, they said the extra ingredients are technically secret. A little miffed that the other people who didn't like the margs got theirs taken off but I expressed I was allergic and was told "citrus will do that". I got Rangoon dip for an app (really good!) and the poke bowl, I think the tuna ratio was good but there was a ton of unflavored white rice with a drizzle of kimchi sauce (which I asked for more of and was brought soy sauce, asked a different server and he asked if I wanted the rice or kimchi so I guess it might have been missing sauce?) Service could have been better, overall not super impressed and likely won't be coming back. read more

South Seas - Blackberry soft serve margarita - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

Wow! What a surprise! Not that I expected bad things, but with the mini golf and the island theme I kept my expectations low. Instead we had a fantastic meal, superb drinks, and our server was fun and attentive and we had a great night out! When our server suggested the short rib appetizer I immediately thought bonus be covered in a heavy sauce and would be messy to eat. I was wrong again. The short ribs were tender and lightly coated with a delicious sweet sauce that complemented it well. Our poke bowl and chicken tinga (think super stuffed taquitos) were fresh and flavorful and the presentation was outstanding. The guacamole had just a hint of pineapple and the queso sauce was as good as any I've had. The spicy skinny margarita and Tropical Itch cocktails were so tasty and complemented our selections perfectly. We were so impressed that we're going back again this weekend to try some different items. The menu has a large selection to choose from and we're excited to try more things as well as the golf! read more

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Even though we had to wait 30min for a spot due to a large birthday party and a smaller setting, it was still fine. I didn't mind because throughout the restaurant they had putt putt and a nice upstairs lounge/bar area. Actually the upstairs had dining space as well but I guess it was not used this day. Anyways, the food was hot and fresh. The highlight was the masa fried cauliflower and the Crab Rangoon dip. I thoroughly enjoyed. My dish of pancakes was ok, but my niece enjoyed them. Her burger was very good, I should have got that. All in all I really enjoyed the place, food, and service. read more

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An excellent place, especially for outdoor seating. A small group of us wanted a nice dinner spot one Friday and this hit the spot. The layout is so cool. While we didn't play mini golf, they do have that option available and it makes the place look like a lot of fun. It's very vibrant and eclectic, great for any age. We sat on the upstairs patio, perfect weather, and even better food. Super kind and helpful staff, and I literally licked my plate clean. The salmon, salad, and mac and cheese was to die for. My drink was tasty and refreshing. And that cake! So moist and yummy. I will absolutely be back to try all the other things on the menu real soon. read more

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South Seas is one of my favorite underrated food places to visit in Louisville. I've never had a bad meal there, and the drinks are sugary, full of alcohol, refreshing, and delightful. I also love the vibes inside, from the bright colors to the various beachy shows playing on TVs. Until recently, there was one thing missing when we would go: a crowd. With reasonable prices, MINI GOLF, plenty of parking, and a direct line to the soccer stadium, there are many reasons to stop by. Just last October before a LouCity game, a friend and I sat at the bar by ourselves to devour ribs and tots. However, there does seem to be a crowd shift in recent months. My wife was craving tacos and mini golf, so we went to South Seas on a recent Saturday night, expecting to get a table and chill. Happily, I was wrong. It was packed! We grabbed two seats at the bar because there was an hour wait for a table. My wife and I had tacos, a margarita, and then some gluten free tiramisu, courtesy of Chef Ange from Silly Axe Cafe. That dessert was unbelievable! We were able to play a round of mini golf as well. It's an incredibly cool course, that will test your skills. They packed the game in very creatively, but if you go and there's a crowd, just be sure to grab a drink and be patient. Make sure to visit this great restaurant and experience before even more people discover South Seas! read more

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My friends and I stopped in for some appetizers and drinks, so I can't comment on the mini golf. We sat upstairs so we passed some of the mini golf holes and they looked fun so I'd go back to try that. The drinks are all super fun tiki drinks and they were all delicious. Hard to go wrong with any of them. Fun spot read more

I hosted a Meetup group event for several people and we were all super excited to try this place out. There were several great points, but a lot was left to be desired. I will say that it was VERY busy this night. They were only operating on reservations. We didn't even end up playing mini-golf because of the number of teens and adults gathering at each hole. It was packed. PROS: It's a gorgeous space. Very colorful and the patio looked great. The presentation of the food looked AMAZING. There was a parking lot where your parking was validated for free - that's super convenient. The menu had a lot of great items on it. There was so much that I wanted to try. And I think several people in our group liked their food a lot. CONS: We were seated in the "party room" and I think that was a big reason for the disappointments in our experience. It's a room upstairs where there are both tables and mini golf stations. Our space was three round tables pushed together. The people in our group seated on the outside were right in the path of people walking to the golf station. It was both loud and uncomfortable for them to have people so close in their space. The food was fine, but I think the biggest disappointment was our drinks came out super late. We ordered, got our food 30-40 minutes later, and then got drinks about 10 minutes after that. A couple of us declined our drinks but I think they comped the drinks from those that kept theirs - which was a nice gesture. I definitely want to give this place another chance one day because I think it has potential to be great. In the future, I'll likely choose a weekday night when it's not as crowded and busy. read more

I have visited this place several times before going to the soccer game. I always love their frozen drink, known as Miami Vice or Painkillers. I cannot resist to one of my favorite dish which is Loaded Mex Tots. I always love it. I love spicy food. Those two things I always order while attend there before the game. read more

South Seas - Loaded Mex Tots - Tiki Bars Near Me - Louisville, Kentucky

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Food was pretty good. Lumpia was great. Other things only so-so. But the service was terrible. We had reservations and were seated while all the other tables were empty. Yet all the other tables were seated and eating before us. We waited a long time for drinks, and a long wait to order, and a very long wait for our meal. No apologies. The couple next to us complained and received 5 star attention afterward. They arrived 20 min after us and still left 15 min ahead of us. Unfortunate because there are several menu items we'd like to try. Maybe a take out order next time. read more

Came for a few drinks and was met with horrible attitude when asked for beer options. The bartender just gave me an eye roll and told me that the bottles are at the downstairs bar. There was one option on draft. Watching the bartender trying to poor a beer made me realize it's a place where they would have a hard time making a vodka soda correctly. Let alone a tiki drink. Don't know how this place can be anything but 3 stars at max. Stay away read more