Alan Smith did an incredible job plastering and polishing our new pool. We chose the Wet Edge Primera Stone finish, and the final result is absolutely unbelievable. The plaster work is so even that, even with the pool lights on at night, the surface looks flawless. No waviness, no bumps, just perfectly smooth. The finish itself feels like glass and is extremely consistent, with zero patchy areas. It resembles a high end terrazzo floor and looks unlike any other pool I've ever seen in person. I worked directly with Darren, who was incredibly responsive despite my hundreds of questions. He coordinated the entire startup process and chemical treatments, making everything seamless and stress free. The crews showed up every day at 7am sharp and worked steadily through the afternoon. The entire operation was professional and ran like clockwork. Their pricing was slightly higher than some others, but the end result was absolutely worth it. I saw several other companies' finished projects in person, and none of them came close to what Alan Smith delivered. Our pool literally looks like an AI generated image, it's that perfect. read more

Started off professional, but after signing the contract things changed -- less responsive and not very customer-focused. Pricing is definitely on the high side, and overall it felt more sales-driven than value-driven. Final result is good, but not really worth the price. I'd recommend getting other quotes before committing. read more

I left a previous 5 Star review, so you are probably expecting me to talk about the same things. Great work, great service, blah blah blah. Those things occurred but they continue to do things other do not. In particular, they will care more about your project than you will! I had them jack hammer out a 2X2 square in my pool deck to fix a plumbing leak installed by another General Contractor (see review on Snyder and Assocaites) . I thought it the job was perfect and they were able to match the patch so well. THEY came to me as they were not happy with it even though I was. It wasn't "perfect". They jackhammered it out and did it over to make it perfect to their higher standards and not mine. One thing people don't usually look at is the demolition crew. These guys were so careful and left zero mess! They did such a good job, and because of them, I asked Alan Smith to do more work. Instead of taking my money, they explained some risks and advised me to hold off. This is integrity and truly looking out for the customer and not their revenue. This small repair made us want to do more and it turned into a large re-tile job on a deck which also turned out awesome. These people are not just workers, they are all craftsmen, down to the demo crew. I was made aware that they will be doing home standby generators and are a Generac Dealer, as they can save customers a lot of money on the install as they often have the ground open and they have in house plumbers and electricians. We are looking into that now as well read more

Alan Smith Pool Plastering & Remodeling - Tile Looks Great - Concrete (bad pour from another GC) will be sandblasted - Pool & Hot Tub Service Near Me - Orange, California

I would not recommend Alan Smith pools. It has been 9 months since they started my pool REMODEL. There has been nothing but delays, excuses, and change orders for more money from the company. My BBQ is not finished it still needs mason work and there is rebar sticking up out of the top because it still needs to be capped. The BBQ fills with water when it rains because it was built lower than the pavers. My landscape lightening is not working. The rocks that I paid a change order to have fixed and painted have already started to rust. The pool still needs to be chalked and plastered.They are months behind schedule. They will not plaster my pool until I pay another $11,000 on a 200,000+ project but I know if I pay it they won't finish everything that needs to be fixed. Do not hire them!!! It will be a fight every step of the way. They want to be paid before they do the work. So make sure your estimate has line items for everything. Pick out your materials ahead of time because they will give you an estimate with the cheapest material possible and then up charge for decent material. If they do your lightening get a plan with the exact number of lights or else they will up charge you for more. We had them do artificial turf they were going to charge us $5,000 for Geo fabric to go underneath, we bought it ourselves for $500. They were going to install the grass using weed barrier (cutting corners). They don't schedule anything ahead of time so you are constantly waiting with no work being done. When they are here you have to be making sure it is done correctly. read more

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Alan Smith was incredible. Highly recommend. They did our pebble tec and we are so happy! CJ that works with Alan Smith was very helpful in the whole process the best customer service! We did Aqua Essence Pebble Tec and CJ helped us decide on what color to use based on our landscape. The quality and detail on the job was top tier! We also felt the price was very competitively, priced and reasonable! read more

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Our family had a pool remodel by Alan Smith Pool Plastering and Remodeling. We'd seen their truck in my mom's neighborhood so gave them a try. While they were not the least expensive, I felt what was important was for my mom to have work done that she could trust would last. The walk-through/estimate that we received from Harriett left us with the feeling that the work would be done expertly. We felt that attention to detail was important to Alan Smith Pool and Plastering. After Harriett left us with the printed materials, we arranged the contract signing. Alan Smith's folks started a short time later. There was timely communication from the project manager and other staff about the days that personnel would be at the house and what access was needed. We received nearly daily communication which we valued. We received emails with links to pay as the project progressed which was hard for my mom to track, but thankfully, Alan Smith's folks included me in their messaging so I was able to coordinate payment. Hopefully it was not to wonky for Alan Smith. The pool work finished and looks great. We appreciate the suggestions that Harriett made, in terms of tile size and piping. Really a pleasant experience in contracting and now my mom has railing that will help me feel a greater degree of safety exists for her pool. read more

I had my Jacuzzi replastered by Alan Smith Pools as they were recommended by neighbors in my community and had a 4.6 rating on Google. Everything went according to plan, we had a small communication issue during the process that was handled by the Alan Smith Pool Company to our satisfaction. We went with a quartz plaster and the color really came out nice in contrast to our existing tile. read more

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Every employee that worked on our pool remodel was outstanding. We replaced the coping, tile, and replastered our pool. Also they worked on our pool deck. The workers took pride in their craftsmanship. The project came out exactly as we had envisioned it. We are happy that we chose Alan Smith. They were a little more money than others but I believe that you get what you pay for - it was worth it! The cleanup crews really did a great job cleaning after each part of the job. We highly recommend this company! Thanks also to the sales staff (Harriett) for helping us select color schemes and design ideas. read more

I can't say enough good things about Alan Smith Pool Plastering and Remodeling ("Alan Smith"). I had a relatively small job but it was complicated. Alan Smith assigned me a supervisor (CJ), an estimator and the best demo and tile crew I ever had the privilege of working with. The job turned out great and their prices were extremely reasonable. Don't go anywhere else for your pool and spa needs or you will be disappointed! I did not expect this level of professional services for such a small job. Bravo!!! read more

Alan Smith Pool Plastering & Remodeling - spa deck - Pool & Hot Tub Service Near Me - Orange, California

Our HOA hired them to replaster our pool - of course that was started in November and they arrived today at 6 AM with all their trucks and crew to plaster the pool - - problem city has rules on times construction can start and its not 6 am. I asked them to wait since our HOA rules say 8 am. They were very dismissive of me so I reached out to the City of Orange Building Supervisor and reported their behavior to him as well as their early illegal start time. I would never recommend them to anyone in any city plus they are way too expensive for their work product. Good luck to anyone who decides to hire them read more

We needed a pool valve replaced and contacted Alan Smith Pools who built us a wonderful pool a few years ago. One call was all that was needed to get a great value quote and a quick service. Thanks to Alexis for great service and to CJ for support in scheduling the repair. I would highly recommend the team at Alan Smith Pools for all pool related build and maintenance. read more

Unlike the majority of businesses that I've needed to take care of all the not so little issues one encounters having a home, Alan Smith Pools was such a pleasure to do business with. The therapeutic spa I had built for my daughter is old and I had spotted some rust. The Alan Smith staff could not have been nicer, more professional or willing to provide options and a timeline for completion that was not only reasonable but was followed. Having a house built in the early 70s many things have had to be replaced, repaired or upgraded. This was the first time a company that I entrusted to take care of the problem actually did what we agreed to without any need for me to worry. This is the way businesses used to be but rarely are now. What a nice surprise! read more

I want to thank you for the great and professional work to our pool. The tile cleaning crew were very friendly and professional and left the yard spotless. They were great. The crew for the acid wash also were very friendly and professional. I learned a lot about pool construction and pool maintenance. And they left the yard spotless also. Thank you again for the great service. read more

DO NOT USE!! Too big, no one cares at this company. Had a pool inspection done; ordered by the buyers of my house. Took apart my pool and did not put it back correctly. CJ is very rude and unprofessional. Lied to me and was a no show twice. Got to his manager Rick who also lied to me and never called me back. Couldn't use my pool and spa for the last month I had my house. This company has no standards, low morals, and shitty ethics. Still shocked at the unprofessionalism by both managers I connected with. Alan Smith needs to clean house. 0 Stars!! read more

Alan Smith Pool completed a restoration project for us. They polished the tile at the water line and the sanded and polished the plaster. The finish is smooth and looks great. We would definitely use them again. read more

Darren and his team at Alan Pool and Spa did an amazing job on my pool. Darren was so professional and up front with the cost along with the process. Work was started within less than a week of estimate, work was completed ahead of scheduled time. When additional repairs that were needed during the process they completed it without raising the price. I highly recommend Darren and his team for any and all pool and spa repairs. read more

ASP did a remodel of our pool 5 years ago. I think they did a really great job of the pool its self. They have been very good about coming back out to do warranty work on the tile and coping. Their crews are very skilled crafts people on the whole. One thing I was not advised about after they sold me on doing a salt water system. The custom concrete coping does not react well to having a lot of salt water splashed on it, it causes pitting. I have had several of the coping stones replaced under warranty, but it is very difficult to get the same color match. Now I am out of warranty and I don't expect this problem to go away. We had them lay pavers on the pool deck and this is really not looking good now. On 2 sides of the pool they are moving around sideways so much and there are visible gaps, These where they are held by anchor edging to a planter at the same level as the pavers. I feel that the edging was possibly not set in cement properly, and I think they should have compressed the road base under the pavers more. I would warn against having them do your pavers. The warranty does not cover this type of problem so you really need them to hold. Overall we are happy with ASP, except for the pavers. read more

Our white pool plaster needed replacing after almost 20 years so we went with Alan Smith Pool Plastering. My Uncle had used them in 2018 and recommended them. He said they did very good work. I'm very happy I went with them as they did a fantastic job. I highly recommend them. They were priced very fair amongst the 6 or so quotes that I got. I was really impressed with all their employees work ethic. They all knew exactly what their tasks were and they completed them excellently. They were like a well oiled machine. I was surprised at all the work that went into removing the old plaster and replacing it. I did keep my old tiles as they were in good shape. They started within a day or two from when I decided to go with them. They kept me well informed via emails about the next days activities. My project manager, CJ, was excellent. He was very knowledgeable and provided great advice on pool chemistry. He would responded quickly when I reached out to him with questions. I'm surprised at the negative reviews. This company has been around a long time and really knows what they're doing. I did have to sit back and relax as it is a process that takes some time and has a lot of moving parts that they manage well. They completed the work in the time frame they told me. I highly recommend Alan Smith Pool Plastering and Remodeling. read more

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I have a pool that these folks did a tremendous job of fixing a major leak and resurfacing with a pebble coat. That was back in '07/08, and it still looks great. Now I have a bit of trouble getting out of the pool because it was originally built with no railings, so I contacted them about that, and Harriet came out immediately and showed and discussed various alternatives. One of the issues was the relatively small deck area available. Harriet made some recommendations, and I just purchased one yesterday. A railing is pretty small stuff for a company that builds pools, but they realized that this was big stuff for me and were extremely helpful and courteous. Thanks again. read more

I highly recommend Alan Smith Pools for leak detection and pool plastering. My pool was losing a lot of water, so I contacted Alan Smith Pools to find the leaks. The leak detection was very thorough, and I was presented with a fair quote to fix the leaks and replaster my 23-year-old pool. The work crews were always on time, cleaned up at the end of each day, were respectful, and most importantly did a great job. I was very impressed with the clear communication at every step. My project manager, John Palmieri checked on my pool almost daily and was helpful in explaining each step to me. I also had the pleasure of working with Darren Laue, who was the manager in charge of the plaster application and finish. Darren oversaw my polished pebble finish which exceeded my expectations. His extensive knowledge also helped me with several issues that were outside the scope of work of the contract. I love my new pool, and I am very happy that I chose Alan Smith Pools. read more

I can not recommend this company. They went months over the time frame we were told. There were some delays due to rain at the time which is understandable, but other than that was delay after delay. One week 3 workers showed up on a Monday morning for 20 minutes then left. They never came back, even though Alan smith sent us messages everyday that people would be there each day working. Once able to talk to the project manager, he didn't even know there were no workers at our home. The company mis-measured our backyard and ran out of pavers and had to order more....more time. Lastly, we hired an electrician to do some work recently and come to find out Alan Smith NEVER grounded our pool, so pool electrician we just had out fixed that minor issue. Essentially, he said if there had been an electrical issue we could have been electrocuted in that pool at any time since it was not grounded. I'm not surprised at this since the light in our pool never worked once Alan Smith finally finished, and they never corrected it. Now they want to use our backyard/pool to "show" people once in a while. Haha, cus I'm not lying to their potential customers anymore. read more

Ok, so, this is a review not only for my pool remodel, but for the care I got two years after the fact. When I bought my new home it came with an old fiberglass finished pool that I found out soon after was leaking about 100-200 gallons a day. I patched the gist of the leaks myself with AB putty while I searched for a good place to redo my pool. I looked up and down the board and got lots of quotes and eventually landed on Alan Smith. I went with a pebble plaster, new tile and all new plumbing. But... when we unearthed the fiberglass we found 130 feet of cracks in this old beast, total bummer. Fortunately Alan Smith has a great guy who's been fixing cracked pools since the Nrthridge earthquake when every pool in the southland cracked, he fixed all the cracks and put a ton of concrete in my deep end and made a shell that would stand the test of time, but he warned me that since I live on a hill my pool was prone to cracks, but he did everything he could to strengthen my pool. After all said and done, I basically have a brand new pool. 2 years later a fine crack appeared in the shallow end and I called them right away. They responded immediately and came to check it out. They fixed it perfectly, for a VERY reasonable cost. Honestly, I'm really glad I went with these guys, the customer care was great, they were always straight forward and honest, my pool looks amazing and functions perfectly, I have no complaints. I'd recommend anyone searching for a pool specialist to Alan Smith. read more

Alan Smith Pool Plastering & Remodeling - Pool & Hot Tub Service Near Me - Orange, California

They first failed to try to understand the concept of "sinking pool" but pretended they understood it wasting my time with inspections that got no where. I complained on Yelp. Months later, I called them later to try to get help with pebble finish. Because of my complaint, Alan Smith declined to NOT help me after 45 minutes of phone time to then text refer me to another company where I wasted several phone calls to not be returned. Orange County pool company collusion forced me to go outside of the county for help. read more

Awful project management team. 10 days of work prolonged over 2.5 months. When they got their last check, when asked the replaced PM turned around and said they won't fix the light fixture area that got chipped during removal of plaster, which was initially discussed with their sales rep, Matt, and initally assigned PM to the project, John Palmieri. I called my bank, put a stop payment on the check, and I am a "sir" again. Should they have any issues with my comments, there is evidence of text messages to back it up. Awful communication, scheduling, and implementation. I had to call into the office and get into a verbal disagreement with the head of the management team, Ken, to talk about the project schedule. They literally then showed up to finish the job in 2 days. That shows the level of care and management they are capable of providing. I wouldn't hire these PMs to watch paint dry, let alone a title named, project management. The only star they get from me: 1. Actual workers who did the job. Professionals. 2. Post project support team. You would save cost, time, and find professionalism elsewhere with another company. Don't fall for the name and the fluff. read more

I called multiple contractors, and Matt from Alan Smith Pools responded quickly. The estimate was professional, informative, and allowed me to make a good decision. During the project, the team showed up as expected and completed the project within the timeline with excellent results. The value was worth the investment. I highly recommend this efficient service team. read more

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I've used Alan Smith for over 20 years of plastering and maintenance for my large pool. My pool developed structural cracks (because it's on a hill side), and Alan Smith did an amazing job with a seamless repair without needing to replaster the entire pool. In addition, I had the tile cleaned and an automatic fill-line installed. If you need someone to perform a challenging repair, Alan Smith is clearly the best. I highly recommend Alan Smith! read more

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Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. The general response from Alan Smith pool when the daily planned activity does not happen. The name Alan Smith pool once meant quality but they have jumped the shark. Delay after delay, excuses after excuses does not make for a great experience. We are renovating our pool and have not had a good experience. The workers keep finding excuses not to do work such as the trucks cannot make it up a hill, their shovels are broken or they cannot find any dirt to use. When looking for a pool contractor take a long look at Alan Smith pools before going with them. read more

Alan Smith renovated our pool about 3 years ago, including new tile, replacing a portion of the pool deck, new plaster and new equipment. The quality of the work was outstanding, including a perfect color match of the portion of the pool deck that was replaced (the concrete guy was a real pro). We have had no issues with the pool or equipment until the recent Altadena fire dropped significant ash/contaminants in our pool which stained the plaster. They responded right away by draining the pool and polishing the plaster which not only removed the stains but created a super smooth plaster surface. We also applied the microglass treatment while the pool was drained to extend the life of our pool plaster. My experiences with Alan Smith Pools has been excellent: knowledgeable team, responsive, communicate well via text and phone calls (James Calhoun coordinated much of the communications), and a professional work team (project managed by Darren Laue). I already recommended them to my pool service company (he was amazed at the smoothness of the plaster) and would highly recommend them to my friends and family. Top notch operation based on my experiences. read more

We recently had our pool refurbished by Alan Smith Pools and the experience was great. We initially planned just to have the pool resurfaced with one of the new pebble finishes but when they got in and started looking at the tile we realized that it was coming off in many places. Note, our pool is over 35 years old and it was the original tile. 1st - Project management... Tim L, our Project Manager, kept the project going and regularly kept us informed via text, email and phone of the schedule (who, what and when). 2nd - Execution... Mike M, their Tile Manager, was a fantastic resource helping us pick out the tile and design the layout. Mike came by frequently to check on the tile progress and to make sure it all looked as expected. 3rd - Workers... Throughout the entire process they kept the area clean, covered the driveway and patio areas and cleaned up at the end of the day. Unlike workers from other projects there was never any trash left lying around. I do want to call out the tile installers who were amazing. Such craftsmen, getting the tile just right and redoing it if it wasn't exactly how they wanted it, even making sure the tile colors matched. They also found coping bricks that were loose and replaced them, matching the original colors. In the end we have a beautiful 'new' pool and can't wait to use it this summer! read more

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Wonderful experience. Professional, skilled, and dedicated to make sure you're satisfied. Would gladly recommend them. read more

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We have spent $100,000 with Alan Smith Pools and it is like pissing up pond! We can't even get the pool heater to work! Maybe they need to actually do their job read more

The team at Alan Smith were exceptional in so many ways. From the quote, pricing and contract completion they were very responsive, thorough and flexible throughout the work and up to the final inspection. They reported what to expect on advance each day and CJ checked up on the work that was expected to be completed each day. The craftsman were very skilled paying great attention to detail and they were courteous and tidy. We are very happy with the workmanship and materials and timing. You won't be disappointed!!! read more

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they went to the pool and condemned the pool, they said my water was old because of the mem pool, they said the tablet float was old and it was the float's fault, that the water is damaged. after condemning my pool he said he could acid wash my pool privately without involving the company and i would pay him direct. I didn't like this attitude and I called another company that was very honest and told me that the water was old and should be changed and that the tablet float did not cause anything in the water and did not need acid wash and the value was much more honest and the service was great do not recommend read more

Alan Smith Pool Plastering & Remodeling - Pool & Hot Tub Service Near Me - Orange, California

I built my own pool and hired Alan Smith for the plastering work. CJ was an amazing help, he was very helpful in pool ideas and spent time showing me as many past projects they completed as I wanted to see (which was a lot because I could not make a decision on a finish). Ended up doing the polished plaster and came out amazing! read more

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Out of the blue and almost a year and a 1/2 later, I get contacted by Alan Smith Pools. They offered to come back and fix the issues that weren't resolved when the project was originally finished. This involved draining and polishing the entire pool to eliminate the staining that occurred and re-grouting the tile. Darren scheduled the work and was responsible for overseeing the project. The communication was great and the workers showed up when they were supposed to. The end result was a significant improvement in the final product. I'm thankful that Alan Smith recognized the problem and offered to correct things at no charge. Although the project started off poorly, it ended on a positive note. read more

Allen Smith Pool Company did exactly what they said they would do, that is to remove all the old plaster from the pool down to the gunight remove old pool light and old drain at bottom, chipped of all the old tiles around the perimeter without damaging any of the coping, removed all the old plaster, light, drain, and tiles left the whole area clean for the plaster team. When the plaster team arrived they had a clean area to work with. The plaster team installed a new light and drain then re plastered, they did a wonderful job. Now I have a new beautiful pool to swim in this summer. the whole job took about 6months to complete but worth it. John Norris read more

We would highly recommend Alan Smith Pools to anyone looking yo have their pool make over done , very professional company, communication with us was always available, and all work that was performed as promised and as scheduled, even after work was completed, they were always available when needed for any questions and help with the new equipment, as I said before we highly them read more

Well folks I just finished remolding my pool with Alan Smith and let me say how remarkable this firm is. Why, all around they support 100% customer service starting with the quoting process all the say to the pool technician's. Let's face it this is a big expenditure and you want it done right, the first time. All their staff greets you with politeness and curtesy. And most importantly, they are experts in what they do. There is no short cuts with their service. Yes I am sure you can find cheaper quotes but what is it they say, you get what you pay for? Big thanks to CJ superintendent for his guidance in pool care and do's and don'ts in maintaining the beauty of my Majestic Jewel pebbletec. read more

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I checked out many pool repair companies and was very discouraged... UNTIL...Alan Smith Pools! My pool had a multitude of problems and one by one, CJ, of Alan Smith Pools had solutions. I watched them work, from the major repairs to the tile guys and they are all perfectionists! They all wore masks and were very respectful and kind. I can say with confidence, they are the number one pool company. Posted photos will tell the story better than words can. read more

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(Posted on behalf of my parents - they do not Yelp but felt their experience needed to be heard, to help others be informed of what they may get into with Alan Smith Pool service). My wife and I had decided to have our swimming pool redone, and it involved re-plastering, re-tiling and replacing the concrete deck. We contacted several local companies and decided to sign a contract with Alan Pools. They appeared to be the best choice because of their length of service record, size of the company, the local office and display area. We were impressed by their punctuality and sticking to promised and scheduled times. We were very impressed by the craftsmanship of their personnel, and the efficiency of how the work was planned and executed. It seemed that their very "substantial" asking price of $48,573.00 would be a good investment after all. The plastering and tiling looked beautiful. The problems started when the concrete decking began. We were told that it had to be done in two sections and on two separate days. When the first section (the border) was poured, we were disappointed that the color was off and the sparkle non-existent. We were told that it was very difficult to match perfectly and that this was the best they could do. Then, when the the rest of the decking was poured the next day, it did not match what was poured the day before and was even duller and more off-color from what we had agreed upon. Unbelievable. Again I was told that it was extremely difficult or impossible to match the other concrete (with today's technology???) I could not believe this. I certainly was not told that before we began. I should not have accepted it and had them tear it out and do it over again but was offered a rebate compensation. Unfortunately I accepted that and tried to live with it. Within a year the real trouble started. The white plaster in the pool started to look like the pool had not been cleaned for weeks. The pool cleaning company I had hired was the one Alan Pools had highly recommended as the best there was. When they investigated the problem, they concluded that something was wrong with the plaster and identified the specific cause. However, when Alan Pools was notified and sent their "expert" to review, they (not unexpectedly) claimed that it was the fault of the pool cleaning company and the local water. Strangely enough, my neighbors (who are serviced by the same pool cleaning company and deal with the exact same water), have no problems, nor did I ever have any with my 30 year old plaster. Acting as if it had not been their fault but that it was my problem and my responsibility, Alan Pools offered to re-plaster the pool for a mere $5,250.00!! Again, unbelievable. There is no other remedy for the dirty looking plaster than to replace it. Then the next, even worse problem occurred. The concrete deck started to go white after any rain or water got on the concrete. This made the deck really look terrible. I can spray-wash the deck and it will look clean, but shortly thereafter or any time after a rain or water gets on it, it comes right back. Nowhere else does the concrete around my house have this problem or has ever had it. See attached photos. Their response to this disaster was a recommendation that I have a concrete company do a thorough blasting of the deck and then seal it. This would cost me several thousands of dollars according to some quotes. This is really an unbelievably arrogant response after having spent $48,000 with these people. The other concrete sections around my house (driveway, front walkway, etc.) are over 30 years old and look far superior than this "new" deck ever did. I wish I had never heard of Alan Pools. My advice to people looking to build or re-build a pool, would be better off to never hear of Alan Pools either. read more

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