BBQ Tofu, Green Cabbage and sweet potatoes with Gluten free Cornbread from ELife Vegan Restaurant in Capitol Heights, MD. It was delicious! read more

ELife Restaurant - Gluten Free Corn Bread - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

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I visited this establishment for an event with an interest in supporting its stated mission of community healing, activism against racism white supremacy, and plant-based nutrition. However, my experience revealed a significant disparity between the stated purpose and the actual atmosphere created by the owner. The irony: The event was a documentary, discussion, and supporting the vendors who came. During the discussion portion after the documentary, comments and thoughts were welcomed, so I shared my thoughts specifically highlighting resources on collective healing and rest in relation to generational and historic racial injustice/oppression (resources such as the Nap Ministry). The vendors and attendees were kind and friendly, and a few were curious about the grassroots healing organization I mentioned. What I noticed was, while the owner was notably attentive and warm toward his white patrons and others, his demeanor toward me, the only Indian woman there, was inexplicably hostile and impatient. It left me confused. In his direct comments to me, he indicated a disdain he had for "Indian people" with the generalization that "Indians are the most successful in this racist system and are therefore part of the problem." I was painted with a stereotype that has nothing to do with me. It was disappointing to see a space dedicated to 'liberation' revert to such narrow, localized profiling of a supporter like myself, especially considering that my intention for being there was the exact opposite. This attitude of blindly disparaging Indians is the same anti-blackness he claims to oppose. It is ironic that in a space claiming to fight racism white supremacy, the owner reserves his most aggressive scapegoating for a dark skinned woman of color who was there to offer genuine support (an easy target for misplaced hostility), all while changing his demeanor for the white guests. It contradicts the grassroots racial struggle he claims to represent and left a bad taste in my mouth. The food was overpriced but watered down, cold, and lacked flavor. The whole atmosphere was cold, low vibrational, grievance and money driven, and lacked the vitality and integrity one would expect at this price point. Quality is a result of Presence. Because the owner's heart was closed and his mind was set on getting money for low quality food and finding a scapegoat, the food had no life-force. I have withdrawn my support from this place. read more

Don't waste your time, energy, and gas coming here! The website and Apple says open but a sign on the door says closed until September

One of my favorite vegan food restaurants. Their drummies, collard greens and vegan Mac n cheese (is the only one I've had that actually tastes good). Not a lot of ambiance but great to carry out and also great for catering read more

The food, staff, and overall experience at this place are fantastic. You won't be disappointed. My personal favorites are the mac and cheese, which are both delicious. read more

Great food I went to try it out and they have good food great service had good experience

I had my boyfriend to pick up some food for me today. I got the maple curry drummies, collard greens, and regular Mac and Cheese. It was just OK. Nothing really stood out to me, and the food was a bit bland. I'd give it a 5/10. Also, the website menu needs to be fixed. It only has very vague information like 2 sides meal, 1 entree with 2 sides, but it doesn't show you what the options are to choose from. read more

ELife Restaurant - Maple curry drummies, collard greens, and Mac and cheese - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

While visiting the Mitchellville area, we revisited one of our favorite places, Elife. It had been a couple of years since our last visit and we were pleasantly surprised that the shopping center had a facelift, which makes the area more appealing. My husband was obsessed with the "jerk chicken" and wanted it every day. They didn't have it the next day, so he tried the wings, and was impressed, but the Jerk Chicken remains his favorite. We went every day while in the area, and they did not disappoint. The vegetables, "meats" , desserts and everything we tried were amazing. I kept commenting about everything being plant based. I know the staff was probably tired of hearing that. If you haven't tried it, you need to stop by. You never know what they're having if you check online, but if the Jerk Chicken is available, you've hit pay dirt!! read more

Nice flavorful options. Love both Mac and cheeses, and the greens. Can't wait to try more. Service was quick read more

Food was incredible and full of flavor. My favorite was the Cashew mac. I thought Vegan food was bland at first, but I was wrong!!! Completely love vegan life now. Get your experience from Elife now... you won't regret it. read more

The food has declined tremendously. The Mac and Cheese tasted but and was dry. How can Mac and Cheese be dry? The macaroni was mushy. Definitely overcooked. The Garlic Kale was watery. Waste of my money. read more

Vegan food???? The food is delicious. I sampled so much, I cannot remember all that I ate. I will say that I felt full and healthy after eating. The vegan Mac and cheese was delicious. The vegan pasta tasted like a million bucks. I was also able to partake in the lecture that took place on the dinning side which contained a wealth of information. This new location is more spacious while still being intimate. I was able to pick up some essentials from the vendors such as authentic shea butter, jewelry and books. read more

The attitudes and energy of the workers is sickening. It's clear they didn't want to work or answer questions. This was my first time in this place and the poor services was enough to make me not return. Apparently they i may sell what's on the brunch menu on sundays and everything was tofu based. Though the kale salad (sweet) was good, the other kale salad (garlic) wasn't so much. The make like chicken and gravy using tofu was just okay but when I asked for gravy the little girl stakes a little cup (that they use for samples) to dip the gravy. Very tacky and definitely no restaurant training. The other side of the restaurant had something going on but the smell of incense was nauseating. The cut watermelon was horrible not sweet, almost like it was heading to "it's time to toss out." Not good read more

I was just in Elife Restaurant the customer service is horrible. I came in and I asked the young girl if they had any more of the cashew Mac and cheese coming out. What they had on the line was an almost empty pan that had one serving of the cashew Mac and cheese in it. After asking the girl if they were bringing more out she looked at the other young girl that was serving and asked her. So I the hot box is right over there you can go check and see if it was more in there. There was no need to ask the other girl. What I notice at this restaurant is when the food is extremely low to where it is out they don't refill the line they will service you all the old stuff till it's gone. So the girl goes in the back and then when she comes back. She skips over me and the other girl said why do you have to be rude. I told her I wasn't rude but just stated facts. That all she had to do was check the hot pot instead of ask u like she wanted you to say no and serve me the crumbs that was online. Also when the girl came back she skipped over me and another guy came out and he asked me how he could help me. So I asked him if he could bring out some more of the cashew Mac and cheese because I wanted a large and did not want what's was stuck to the pan. He went and got another cashew Mac and cheese. The other server continued talking under her breath. So I told her look I am paying for what I am requesting I and no one else should have to get the scrappings which wasn't enough for a large serving in order for you to finish the pan and bring out a new one. This happens often here. I will not be coming back to this Vegan food location any more after today. The customer service is horrid and most times the food be cold. read more

I love visiting ELife so much! This black owned business is such a treasure in Takoma Park. When you walk inside Elife you can see there are plenty of tables available for indoor dining, and the interior is very clean and tidy. Then you bask in the glory of an endless buffet of vegan food. From meatless chicken drummies, to fried "fish", to casseroles, Mac and cheese, and plenty of greens you are in awe of the variety of plant based dishes. In addition to the hot and ready food, you can also order sandwiches from them. I have not yet tried a sandwich because the Mac and cheese and faux meats are so hard to pass up. They have two different Mac and cheeses. I prefer the cashew based one since it is smoky, however their other Mac and cheese is reminiscent of your favorite childhood Mac and cheese. I am a sucker for those chicken drummies too. They offer them in a few different sauces, and Buffalo is my favorite because it is spicy. This meat is perfect for those that want to replace chicken in their diet as it is chewy and stringy like the real thing. ELife also has shelves of vegan dessert! They have many different cake slices to pick from. I have only tried the carrot cake which was definitely worth the calories. For those opting for a healthier sweet option, they also have a fridge full of juices. I hope you will show this black owned business some love. If you are ever to try a vegan meal, you cannot go wrong with anything on their menu. You will wish the chef lived with you so being vegan could always be this easy. read more

ELife Restaurant - Buffalo Drummies and Mac and Cheese - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

Customer service is just not impressive. I've been here twice as of the most recent renovations and at different times of day. Unfortunately I have yet to come and the raw food bar has all options available. You look at the menu online and see so many options...that they don't have. Not to mention this spot is soy-dominant when it comes to vegan options. Most of the cold bar options are not soy-free. Same is true for the hot bar. This is not health food. It's non-animal product meal options. Anyhow...When I walked in today, I spoke to the gent working the hot bar closest to the register. He said nothing nor gestured to acknowledge my greeting. I went to the cold bar which appears to be the start of the line to get your food choice(s). Well I stood there while the entire staff only acknowledged the hot bar. I eventually had to ask how to get service at the cold bar and they said people normally come to the hot bar to tell them they want cold bar cause they have no way of knowing who got in line first. Smh. Well how about a sign that states where the orders start? How about numbers? Better yet, I was initially one of three people in your establishment -- pay attention and don't be dismissive and rude. I put the poor service aside and got two small sides and a "large" side, all from the cold bar for $17.01. That includes the $.10 bag offered by the female who seemed exhausted to be there. Heck...I just spent $17 for three leftover selections of sides. Yes i want a bag to put my three containers, utensils and napkins. Please don't spare my pockets now.... I can't confidently recommend this restaurant unfortunately. Try at your own ability to overlook good customer service. read more

ELife Restaurant - Garlic Kale. Parsley Salad. Seaweed Salad. - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

they moved to the new building, which I LOVE. I've been able to grab food from them a couple of times since I moved further out. Each meal has been absolutely delicious. I make sure to purchase a few things so that I can enjoy it for 2-3 days. My favorite options are lemon pepper drummies (Wednesdays I think?) and maple curry which are an all time fave of mine. My next favorite options are the collard greens, sweet potatoes, garlicky kale salad, and the ratatouille which were all divine. Probably my staples every time I go. I also really enjoyed the curry chickpeas and their red beans and rice. The best ever. I'm really grateful they're doing so well post pandemic, new location is in the same vicinity as the previous building. Compared to spots like NuVegan, I noticed I don't have reactions to ELife's food! This means that I can trust their food, and their ingredients. They've started adding new things to the menu on certain days. Hopefully I get a chance to try those options too. PS: make sure you guys follow them on IG & FBook to stay up to date on the events that they have there too!!! read more

There were some good and OK take aways. As an Executive Vegetarian Chef, I wanted to see what good food was in the area I was visiting. I ordered the Seiten chicken wings w maple glaze, chickpeas & rice, and cashew Mac n cheese. It was the end of the day, so the food wasn't as fresh as I would have hoped unlike a fresh cooked beyond burger (that wasn't available). The wings need a little more flavor and crisp, the chickpeas over rice were OK, the cashew Mac n cheese was on the dry side after sitting for a length of time. In this area alot of restaurant do a buffet Cafeteria style hot plate. It saves on overhead cutting waste. But the food quality and integrity is a challenge to control. So I wish this establishment well in its concept. There were some highlights that I haven't experienced. The strawberry lemonade, ginger juice was good but think. So here were my corrections when I got home. Added garlic powder, onion powder, coconut amino acid to chicken wings let the glaze reduce and crisp up the wings, reworked the cashew cheese Mac n cheese by adding little more nutrients yeast, bechamel sauce, & red pepper flake, hint of celtic salt, and truffle oil. Add water to thin out the strawberry juice. But the star player was the peach oat milk base Gelato was great. With a few tweaks on the recipes I could envision this restaurant being very prosperous read more

I decided to order from ELife because I had a 50% off UberEats promotion that I wanted to use. So glad I did because I got so much good food! I ordered almost everything on the menu! 4 Cold Sides Plates: - Garlic Kale Salad (really great flavor and perfectly dressed!) - Mock Chicken Salad (nice texture and flavor_ - Spinach Quiche Salad (didn't taste that eggy and felt a lot like the chicken salad but still good) - Curries Vegetable Salad (great flavor) Entree and 2 Sides: - Seaweed Wrapped Fish Patties (these reminded me a lot of fish, loved how they looked and had a good texture) - Green Cabbage (good flavor) - Original Macaroni and Cheese (yummy but the cashew one is better) Corn Bread Entree and 2 Sides - Drumettes (Maple Curry) (my favorite! great texture and generous portion) - Collard Greens (decent flavor) - Cashew Macaroni and Cheese (another favorite!) Popcorn (I am a popcorn guru (like popcorn is really my favorite food) and this was divine! Still trying to figure out what seasonings they put on it so I can try to recreate it) They have really good pricing and their food was very tasty! I have only been eating vegan for a few months so every now and again miss meat and eggs but if I ate from here everyday, I wouldn't miss it at all. Textures and flavors are very reminiscent of my omnivore life, haha. read more

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Ok so let me inform you all of the scandal that's happening at this location. But first I must say the food is very good but...... they are stealing money from us and I'll explain. I went on a Monday and when I ordered my food and went to the register the lady wrung me up and I added a 10% tip and after I paid she started to walk away quickly but I hit print receipt and she stopped grabbed the receipt and said oh sorry I accidentally charged you extra. She then called the manager out to refund me the difference and I said people make mistakes and I left. Called my wife and told her what happened and I told her I bet this was intentional and I'll see next time if she does it again. So I returned and she was on the register again so I ordered my food went to the register and again after I paid she tried to walk away quickly until she seen I hit print receipt and without looking at it handed it to me and just as I thought she charged me for 2 entrees when I only ordered 1. When I questioned her she said sorry I made a mistake and again called the manager to refund the difference. I asked is this how you make your extra money and she then acts like she doesn't understand English. I then Asked for the owners contact and the manager stated it's on the receipt. I called left a message and no return call and it's now been 4 days. So I'm telling you if you go here please check your receipt before leaving because they are thieves and not sure if the entire staff is involved but definitely some type of scandal going on. I can guarantee I'm not the only victim. read more

Still willing to drive 75 mi for this food!! I been coming for the past 2 yrs but I'll admit since my last trip I felt like there were sooo many new items added. I ordered online & picked it up. My favorite is usually the maple curry drummies, with cashew mac n cheeze & collard greens but to my surprise they also now offered "bowls" so I got both to go!! Food for the entire weekend! I ordered the vegan steak bowl & my mouth was watering! I couldn't resist desert so I added that too, lol. read more

ELife Restaurant - "VEGAN STEAK" BOWL - YUM! - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

I love the food. I love what they have done to the place. The new location is really nice plus there's live music in the other part of the building. My only issue is sometimes the customer service is off. Like they are nice but not if that makes sense. Again the restaurant is my favorite place to go when I want good vegan food that's not too too high so I'm really not complaining. read more

Amazing flavors! Healthy indulgence! Wellness on a plate! What's not to love? I felt nourished and full yet amazingly light. Everlasting Life is celebrating 27 years of vegan soul food. Wishing them 27 x 1000 more years! If I eat this way more often then I'll be there with them...! I had pepper steak with collard greens and original mac n cheeze. He had veggie stew with cashew mac n cheeze with collard greens. We "fought" over the cake... should've gotten two. This restaurant has a wellness center where we can pick up pharmaceutical- grade supplements too... one-stop shopping for longevity! read more

I had ordered here a few times on Uber eats and just recently visited the restaurant. My go-to is usually the drummies, cashew Mac and cheese, and kale or collards. I also like the cold compressed juices as well. The flavor and texture of the drummies is what keeps me coming back. The cashew mac is hit or miss depending on the temperature. The collards are okay, but nothing to write home about This place is probably a 3.5, but I'm rounding up to a 4. Perhaps I'll be able to explore more of the menu soon. read more

ELife Restaurant - Drummies, cashew mac and cheese, collards - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

I love this place for their vegan side fishes. I haven't had many entrees. To me, the drummettes were just ok. The garlic kale, sweet potatoes and squash are the stars of the show. read more

Tacoma Park location 4/23/23 Terrible DRY OLD food! Spent $30 here, what a waste So disappointed read more

Last night, my husband and I went to ELife to try for the first time and this is what we got: *Maple Curry Drumsticks (my husband loved it, but there was an overpowering taste of cumin) *BBQ Drumsticks (delicious and the perfect texture) *Original Mac n Cheese (tasty, but needed a little bit more seasoning and sauce) *Cashew Mac n Cheese (creamy, but needed a little bit more seasoning) *Greens (They did not taste fresh and we had to add salt, but it was still tasty) *Toffee Crunch Cake ( ) *Sweet Potato Cheesecake (my husband said it had a lemony taste, but still loved it) *CBD Lemonade (made me sleep like a baby) *Natural Root Jamaican Beverage (earthy taste and similar to root beer) I can not eat cashews so it was refreshing to see that I could still indulge in eating a choice of Mac n cheese; my husband said the cashew Mac n cheese was more creamy. The drumsticks were cooked well and didn't have the chewy/gummy texture which was great for me because I haven't had much success in eating vegan drumsticks that I liked (the BBQ was my preference). It was late night (for us) and this hit the spot for what we were having a taste for last night. The desserts were hands down the best part of our entire meal. I gave this rating a 3 because the vibes were good, but the food was just okay-- this could have been because of the time of day that we went and we just got what was left-- but I will like to give them another try. read more

ELife Restaurant - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

The food is great and reasonably priced. Love the menu. The owner is really kind and is always walking around greeting and chatting with customers. read more

One of the only Vegan spots in this area. Fresh, pretty good. Very nice staff and customers. Wish there was a sense of urgency - took 30 minutes to get food in the takeout line. read more

My son loves their fresh, well-cooked and delicious selection of vegetables. It is always a place for me to grab a meal that aligns with my values. The soursop and piña colada sea moss blends are my absolute favorite... The BEST vegan place inside the beltway! read more

-Checking in with ELife for an evening meal. The food is good plantbase/vegan substance but the service was sub par today sad to say. I ordered food online and received a text stating it was ready. When I arrived and informed them of the pickup order, I was told they were about to make the order. This was an inconvenience as I was on a schedule and was expecting to walk in, pick up the order and continue my evening. Furthermore, i was also Informed that the Steak and Cheese that was available to order online, was not available in store. I had to get that portion of my order refunded. While in the car, I was checking over my order and discovered they had missed a side. Had I not checked, I would have gotten home, been missing a side and paid the price of an Entree and 2 sides instead of 1. I would have gladly doubled up on the 1 side I did have, but they were all out of that as well just after my order. Ive had good food from them before, it the service could have been very much so better IMO. The staff was nice about the entire process, no issues there. Personally, I would have liked to see more accuracy and efficiency. read more

The food is AMAZING!!! You're missing out if you don't stop by and get their food. The Mac n cheese is sooooo delicious read more

ELife Restaurant - Salisbury steak & rice, Mac n cheese, & mashed potatoes - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

I'll be moving to the area in just a few short weeks. As a foodie, I'm scoping out the area of good eats. I identify as a pescatarian, but ultimately, I'll eat whatever I want, whenever I want :). Disclaimer: don't go to a vegan restaurant expecting the meal to taste non-vegan. If you're committed to a vegan lifestyle then you forfeit much of the flavors that naturally accompany meat and dairy. This place doesn't look like much from the outside, but you needn't let that deter you. The ordering process is pretty simple and there's plenty of staff to explain to you the various sides and entrees. They have two types of Mac and cheese, one made with cashews and the other with potatoes. I'm not sure of the details regarding how they are made. Nevertheless, I chose the potato mac and cheese with, collard greens and "shrimp" as my entree. I was simply blown away by the "shrimp", the item looked exactly like shrimp with a nearly identical texture. I was informed that the product was made from white yam?!!! The meal was absolutely delectable.. even to a dairy lover! Also, for all the food I had, the price was more than reasonke to me! All in all, I will be back to try more of their great look entrees! Came here for a second time and absolutely loved my dish. They are generous with the "meat" portion of the entree, which was my favorite! Get the jerk "chicken". I did wish the Mac was creamier. I know it's non-diary, but there is definitely a way! Great food overall! read more

ELife Restaurant - "Shrimp" entree. Mac and cheese. Collards.delish - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

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Everlasting life was my first foray into Vegan restaurants. Everyone was extremely nice, the young lady at the cash register allowed me to sample the two different styles of Mac and cheese(potato based/cashew based) and was very pleasant. I ordered the Baked Ziti, traditional Mac and Cheese, and collard greens and everything was delicious. I also ordered a fish cake, made of soy that surprisingly tasted pretty close to the real thing. I want to eat healthier and live longer and Everlasting Life was a great introduction into a cleaner lifestyle. read more

ELife Restaurant - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

This place has been around for quite a while now. 90% of the times that my sister visits, we end up here, whether we're getting a full meal, picking up one of their delectable desserts, or just browsing the vendors next door. It is the only strictly vegan restaurant in this area that I know of (correct me if I'm wrong). I have pretty much had everything from here, such as their BBQ chicken, orange chicken, mac & cheese, greens, and their carrots. Their carrots are probably my favorite side. Not only are they chilled, but they have this sweetness and they burst with flavor... it's great! As for the desserts... well, I haven't had ALL of them, but I'd say I've had all the ones I wanted to try. My absolute favorite is the Sweet Potato Cake. There are two brands of cakes that they sell, but both are pretty good and each provide quite the variety. They've got smoothies, cookies and brownies too. It is also worth mentioning that everyone in there is really nice and they are all quite welcoming. They sell books and other miscellaneous things as well. If you are in the mood for vegan food and are near exit 15, stop here! read more

ELife Restaurant - Cakes galore - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

New to the neighborhood and was excited to learn that there's a vegan establishment nearby. For the record I'm not vegan but it's an ambition. So many options, SO MUCH FLAVOR! The staff is welcoming. So neatly packaged, you can reuse the containers for future lunches. Hearty servings. Quick service. Careful about mixing too many hot items, the flavors are bold and made to stand well alone. I recommend the curry tofu , jerk chicken, and all veggies. Personally didn't love the maple drumsticks, but I'm only one set of tastebuds. I will update once I try the cold items. read more

ELife Restaurant - Curry chicken - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

Thanks to God(all praise is due to him!), I had the collard greens, which was absolutely fantastic!! In addition, I also got the cashew mac n'cheese which was also excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just can't beat the incredibly wide selection, the great service and the consistently high quality of the food! This is, without doubt, one of the best vegan soul food restaurants in the country bar none!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greg Anderson read more

Food is out of this world, great!!! I don't know how they create such great tasting food without animal products, but they do it, and they do it well. Service is "good," but would be so much better if the servers would pep-up, smile, and get excited about the fact that they are providing what so many people in the county have been looking for. Healthy food choices. Many restaurants come and go in the county, and I believe that the ones that don't make it are those that have not stressed the importance of the "customer experience" to their staff. I LOVE the food at this establishment, but if I continually feel like the staff is only tolerating me, for a check; or they're not invested in the owner's success, I know that I won't continue making the trip. The first time I came, there was a young lady who took me through all the food and offered samples. She's the kind of person that belongs out front. But in more recent experiences, some staff barely look you in the eyes, and they're speaking so low that when you ask a question, you hardly hear the answer. I STILL rate this restaurant HIGHLY!!!! Getting the staff onboard to be as excited about the customer's experience as the customer is about the food would make this establishment #1 in the Prince George's County vegan restaurant space. And possibly #1 in the DMV and beyond. read more

I was on my way to sonic when the sign for Elife happened to catch my eye and I decided to try it. Upon walking in I notice they had vendors on the right and the food in the door to the left. When I walked in the aroma was amazing. I ordered the jambalaya, Mac and cheese, and BBQ drummies. The employee who took my order was patient while I figured out my order. There were so many option to choose from and they helped me understand the menu. The jambalaya wasn't very spicy but it was flavorful and the veggie sausage were good! The Mac and cheese was creamy and comforting to eat on a cold day but I do prefer oven bake style so it wasn't my favorite. The star of the show for me was the BBQ drummies, the sauce was sweet and tangy. The drummies also had a nice meaty flavor and texture that satisfied my pallet. I washed it all down with their delicious strawberry lemonade and that's when the itis hit me lol. All in all a great experience read more

ELife Restaurant - Strawberry lemonade - Vegan Near Me - Capitol Heights, Maryland

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I've been coming here for years - one of the only vegan places in the area. The food has always been good but as of 2024 the customer service is poor. I came in the restaurant at 8:40pm, 20 minutes before closing time only to purchase a vegetable juice, the cashier (young light-skinned woman) had this demeanor as if I was bothering her and she seemed like she was ready to go home. She rang me up, I paid and she didn't say a single word to me, not even something simple and small as "have a good night." If you don't want to work here then why even apply in the first place! read more