Even though I live in Sacramento, I always go to this location. It's very clean and quiet. The staff are friendly, professional, and easy to talk to. Everything is clear about what services need to be done, and questions are always answered. Sometimes they do take a while to call you back. If there's ever an issue, they are willing to find a solution. I love that the waiting area has drinks, water, coffee, snacks, and plenty of things to read. There's a TV and charging ports for all types of phones. There's seating inside and outside. They provide a shuttle if you want to go elsewhere while your car is being serviced. read more

Folsom Lake Kia - Car Dealers Near Me - Folsom, California

I had an amazing experience purchasing my 2026 KIA K4, all thanks to my representative, Zivan Duenas. From start to finish, Zivan guided me through the process with patience and genuine care. He listened attentively to my needs, showing real empathy without any pressure to haggle. His courteous and polite demeanor made me feel valued and respected. What stood out most was his excitement for my new journey, which made the entire experience even more special. Thank you, Zivan, for making my KIA purchase smooth and memorable! read more

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Zack in the service department has been absolutely exceptional in handling the care of my 2016 Sportage. I had it towed to Folsom Lake Kia after I experienced catastrophic engine failure, in a ten year old car headed to the mountains on the freeway. They told me my engine needs replacing, and that Kia is gonna cover it for me! Kia accommodated me with a loaner vehicle, and have been stellar communicators. I cannot say enough about their professionalism, their accommodation and their service and I will be going to Folsom Lake Kia for life :) Thanks Zack! read more

I had the BEST experience buying a Kia Sportage SX Prestige Hybrid here. Ask for Angel she is the BEST. They had great, transparent pricing here and they didn't play any games. I got a fair price for my trade too. Kentucky was the pricing guy and he was really sweet and nice to work with too. I really appreciated them so much because I had a bad experience at a different dealer and I was burned out. I even got all the way through the process but wanted a different color and Angel drove all the way to Davis to get a different color for me at no extra cost. She also walked me through all the features and we had fun playing with the lighting and setting up the app. I felt so good about my experience here that I bought the maintenance package because I knew they would take good care of me there forever. Definitely buy your car from here and be sure to get Angel if you can! read more

Folsom Lake Kia is amazing. They answer the phone quickly and genuinely want to do business with you. If you know what you're looking for and have a set price in mind, they'll work with you to make it happen. I worked with Tim, and he was fantastic. I asked if he could beat a price I had, and within 5-10 minutes, he called me back and said he could. At the appointment, Tim was punctual, polite, and extremely knowledgeable about the entire vehicle--bumper to bumper. He sat with me for about 15 minutes, helped set up my phone, walked me through the Kia Connect app, and showed me every feature and quirk of my new car. I've never experienced this kind of respectful and honest relationship after the sale was made. At other dealerships, they just hand you the keys and say, "Enjoy." Tim went above and beyond, and I really appreciated that. The only reason this isn't a full 5-star review--more like a 4.5 if I could--is because the car still had some vinyl protectors on the chrome and quite a bit of tape left inside and around the vehicle. I assume this is the responsibility of the delivery team, who handle vehicle prep before the handoff. I'd suggest they take a little more time on that part, though I understand how busy it can get and that they want to make sure the customer isn't left waiting around. Thank you, Tim and Folsom Lake Kia! I absolutely love my new Kia K5 GT and look forward to continuing my relationship with you guys and doing business/servicing again in the future. read more

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Great, hassle free experience buying my car here. From the moment I walked in, the staff was friendly approachable, and most importantly not pushy. Working with Benjamin as our sales consultant made the purchasing process smooth and easy. Would recommend working with him to future car buyers especially the Spanish speaking community. read more

After the most horrific car accident of my life...im thankful to just be alive. Buying a new car was not on the agenda for the end of the year, but it had to be done. After the hassle of getting the insurance money from the person at fault, it took serveral weekends and quadruple dealerships to finally find the right car. (EUREKA!!!) Losing the paid off low mileage Kia Sorento, it was a no brainer that we wanted the same but on a hybid level. (Full electic was way out of the budget) One of the salesman at Folsom Kia was very friendly and kind, gave a little of his family background before we got down to the nitty gritty. Huge parking lot.. Good selection of cars Nice office facilities Even better bathroom I could go back for my next ride!!.. read more

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Matt and Andy at Folsom Lake Kia were fantastic to work with! No pressure, just information and getting my vehicle needs met. I got connected with Folsom Lake Kia through the Costco connection option, Matt followed up, we checked out some cars and he was open to the fact that I was in the market but not urgently. We chatted about various model and trim options, he answered my lofty amount of questions, and added a personal touch to each encounter. Upon test drive day, Matt was busy with another client so I got to work with Andy too. He was also professional and personable. Each of them took their time and didn't rush me to make a choice but gave me the details to make an informed decision. I walked out the door with a 2026 Kia Sportage AWD Hybrid and am exceptionally pleased with the choice, the professional service and the follow up (pre and post purchase). Thank you Folsom Lake Kia, you were exceptional. P.S. Matt sold to a colleague of mine at the end of August 2025 who also had an exceptional experience and told me about it 3 months later. A lasting impact. read more

My husband and I purchased a 2026 Sorento with Mike recently and had a great experience! It was really nice to walk into a dealership, and have a sales person tell them what we wanted instead of trying to push us into something we didn't want. Mike was able to work with our budget, save us some money, and insured we were happy and set up before we left the dealership. If you are looking for a new car and want a painless interaction I definitely recommend Folsom Lake Kia and all of their associates, especially Mike. Thanks again, Mike :) read more

Had a great experience working with Greg (manager) and Ben (sales person). I was in and out quickly and the service was second to none! Spent more time on learning the software of the car than I did doing paperwork. Will definitely come again for my next purchase. read more

Very attentive salespeople. RC was amazing helping us pick out the best vehicle for our needs and budget. Eric, at Finance, did everything super quick, I never got to sign my papers so fast. Picked up the car and Angel was super attentive showing us everything. Highly recommend read more

I was working with Folsom Lake Kia for three days to work on a written agreement for a vehicle that I was interested in. On the third day 20 minutes before my appointment I got a call being advised that a 6.69 APR I was originally offered magically changed to a 10% APR. They said that my credit was lower than they expected. Please also know that my credit is considered excellent so for them to offer me such a high APR was ridiculous. When I arrived, the sales rep felt so confident she barely wanted me to drive the vehicle for a test drive. I had to ask to drive further to get a fuel for the vehicle. Once we sat down to talk numbers that 10% APR changed to a 10.5% APR I advised I would not take the deal. They then spoke about it for over an hour offered me my original APR moved me to the Ford building where I sat for another hour for them to come and tell me their system had been down since before they offered me the deal. It all felt very sketchy. I did not feel comfortable making a deal at that time and I left. I went to elk Grove Kia, where I made a deal in less than 30 minutes on a beautiful vehicle and for the exact APR I was promised. Don't go to Folsom go to elk Grove. When you go to elk Grove, ask for Roseo, Khal and Brennan - they did an amazing job! read more

Worked with Shane to lease a brand new KIA EV9. Shane was very communicative and honest with everything. We told him we were coming from an hr away and ensured the vehicle was available and upfront with keys in his possession so there was low risk of it being sold before we arrived. This is very appreciated as someone that has had those promises broken by previous brand dealers. Overall very impressed with how far KIA has come and love the technology in this appropriately sized SUV. read more

Well.. first off during our "test drive"... we ran out of gas. The sales associate, "KIASteve" assured us we had enough gas.... In 100 degree heat we were stranded and about 45 mins later he shows up with a gas can. Ok, now, KIA, this is your opportunity to learn.. have some gift cards or something.... God forbid He only offered a blank apology. Yes, that was a sign. And after the calculating of funds which was absolutely completely off from their "calculator".... So much BS..... Bye bye. Take your business elsewhere. read more

Walked into this dealership hoping to maybe buy a car, but apparently, that was asking too much. A group of salesmen were sitting down, presumably mid-meditation or practicing the ancient art of ignoring potential customers. I had to summon the courage to interrupt their deep state of relaxation and ask for help. My sincerest apologies for the inconvenience, gentlemen. Finally got a test drive, which was less of a sales experience and more of a monologue. I did all the talking. Either the salesperson was practicing for a vow of silence or truly believed the car would sell itself. Spoiler: it didn't. Then came the fun part. Just as we were about to talk numbers, they casually mentioned that the car has a "hold" on it from the DMV and can't be sold for another 24-48 hours. Something about it being sold, returned, and confused for an actual available vehicle. Cool. I told the guy I was super interested, asked him to email me pricing and updates, and he gave me the ol' "No problem" routine about four times. Well... apparently it was a problem. Two days went by...nothing. I followed up with an email. Five days later...crickets. No update, no pricing, no anything. The car also magically disappeared from their listings. Houdini-level customer service. The happy ending? I went to Elk Grove Kia, where people actually stood up, talked to me, and sold me a car. Imagine that. Save yourself the frustration and go where the employees don't treat selling cars like a part-time hobby. read more

Every time I need service or an issue comes up I come into Folsom Lake and the service team member Zach is AMAZING!! He is the absolute best!! He is always pleasant with the best attitude. Even when I am stressed he always gives options and details on those options so I can make the best decision for my situation. Even if it's an expense I appreciate him allowing me to make my best informed decision about it. Customer service with him is always consistent and a pleasure to deal with. He speaks confidently, and interacts with respect and integrity. Great job Zachery!!! read more

Terrible customer service. Brought a brand new Kia Telluride and within three months I had issues. I took the car in and not only would they not provide a loaner or rental, but they sent it back home with me broken still saying they couldn't duplicate the problem. The girls at the front desk have horrendous customer service, and so does service. I ended up asking my husband to take it in and he basically forced him to take him seriously. They found the problem. It took them two weeks to fix it! Terrible dealership! read more

Really good experience. Tim was very helpful. Super chill guy. No pressure. Per usual, still took the better part of a day from start to finish but that is expected and we left for about an hour to get lunch while Tim worked the numbers. Zero complaints and would not hesitate to recommend this dealership to others. read more

I wish I could give this place zero stars--specifically the service department. My Kia has been broken into three times, and all I needed was a simple answer to a basic question: If the thief stole the door lock cylinder, could they re-key it and use it to steal my car? Instead of helping, the person on the phone told me "everyone's busy" and just hung up on me. No offer to take a message. No follow-up. Just complete disregard. For comparison, I called Roseville Kia right after. They put me on with a service manager who actually answered my question and gave me an estimate on the spot--exactly what I needed. This is the difference between a place that gives a damn about customers and one that clearly doesn't. If you can't answer a question, fine--but take five seconds to say, "I'll have someone call you back," and mean it. Don't just hang up and act like my time or safety doesn't matter. This isn't just bad service--it's disrespectful. Do better. read more

this is the best buying experience I've ever had! Shane went out of his way to find me a car that I absolutely love, aside from that, the entire process was smooth and easy. they don play around and try to sell you services that you don't want or need. over all, this place has a very welcoming environment with reasonable prices with no pressure to purchase. thank you for everything! I am truly in love with this car read more

Folsom Lake Kia - Car Dealers Near Me - Folsom, California

Very disappointed at the service and parts department. I called in the morning about a battery replacement since we have a faulty battery. Was told I just need to bring the battery in and drove 35 minutes to be told they need the car in shop in order to replace it. Josh misinformed me. Seems like the staff needs a training of the rules and protocols. Utterly disappointed to be turned away after a 35 min drive. read more

Disclaimer I did not buy a car here...but I would consider it! Came here to test drive a Sportage and a K5. Probably the most relaxed dealership I've ever been to. The people were not pushy at all and honestly felt like they could care less if you buy a car lol. The BEST part of this dealership that far and away eclipses ANY OTHER DEALERSHIP is they let you test drive the car by yourself!! That was such an amazing feeling to be trusted to take the car yourself without someone literally breathing down your neck from the back seat. The people were really nice and the experience was good overall. I did make an offer on the K5 and they said they could only get down to $1,500 more than my offer. 2 months later I saw they lowered the price $2,000 so I asked for the lowest price to buy today and they actually gave me an offer $1,700 over my original offer despite the listing price now being $2,000 less than when I offered haha. They ended up discounting it another $2,000 (over $4,000 less than when I made my original offer) and selling it to someone eventually. Actually glad they dropped the ball on that one and sold it cheaper to someone else than they could have to me because it allowed me to find a car that was a better fit for me, a much nicer car, and cheaper. So it was a blessing in disguise. Overall if I were to shop for a Kia I would definitely look here first. Only downside to this dealership is the size is far too small and most their inventory is on a lot hella far away from the dealership. I'm sure if they get that sorted this dealership would be even better! read more

Had an issue with the left rear door handle not retracting and making is such that I was not able to open the door from the outside. Rudy was able to resolve the issue quickly. Very responsive I will most certainly be back. read more

I had a great experience at Folsom Lake Kia. No pressure, super nice staff. They go through your finances & tell you exactly what you can afford. I highly recommend the drive out there. read more

Nine months ago, I made the terrible mistake of bringing my car here for service. When I got it back, it had a fresh door ding, courtesy of their service department. Thankfully, I had photos from the tow truck to prove it--clear as day. The service advisor? Shrugged it off with a masterclass in denial: "Not our fault." Apparently, customer evidence and accountability aren't on the menu here. Fast forward six months--I schedule another appointment to handle the dent (thanks again), some recalls, trim work, and a few other things. I made absolutely sure they had the parts before I booked. Guess what? I arrive, and--surprise!--no parts in stock. But hey, they might get them in 2-3 days. Cool, I'll just leave my car there out of sheer frustration. Spoiler: it took 5-6 days. Now I'm renting a car because their website and rep hinted a loaner might be available. Nope. I was told I might have to pay for the rental (why? when it's their screw-up?), but I agreed only if they kept me in the loop. Naturally, they went full radio silence. When I tried to follow up, they handed me the number for Consumer Affairs--who then tells me they can't help, because, of course, it's "a dealership issue." Classic. Before I picked up the car, I asked for a picture of the "repaired" ding. What I got was a picture of a botched touch-up job that looked like it was done with a Crayola marker. When I asked, "This is acceptable to you?" the guy deadpan says, "Yes, Radiant Ride is just touch up paint." Funny--that's not how it was sold to me. I asked for a refund. Response? "We don't do that." Oh--and just when I thought this nightmare circus couldn't get worse--when I finally go to pick up the car, the trim piece wasn't even installed properly. Back into the shop it went. I left a voicemail and sent an email to the General Manager. Guess how many responses I got? That's right--zero. Save yourself the emotional damage and take your car literally anywhere else. This place is a masterclass in how to lose a customer forever. read more

I would give this location zero stars if I was able to. They have had my car since Jan 30th. It is now April 2nd and I get no return calls or messages from the person who is supposed to be helping me. They drag everything out so the customer is liable for everything. My extended warranty thankfully doesn't expire til Dec this year but im worried they are going to keep my car til then just so they don't have to help fix the repairs. We bought a Kia Forte 2018 during Covid. Within a week had it back at the dealership. We told them at the time of test driving that the car was slipping. They didn't want to believe us. I swear they sold us a lemon but now it's past the lemon law cause no one is willing to help. I've been out of work now due to no car. They said I don't qualify for a rental until the extended warranty people gets back to us but that will never happen. Oh, a rental is included in my warranty. I think its time to take this to court now since no one is responding to us. They have basically taken my car as hostage. BEWARE **** THIS IS A SHADY PLACE. ​​ read more

I am giving Folsom Lake Kia a 1 star rating as I am unimpressed with their ability to do business with integrity and honor. My husband was hit by a Kia parts driver in shingle springs in March, the Kia employee engaged in an illegal u-turn and totaled our car. Upon the initial accident, the driver was apologetic and admitted fault multiple times to my husband and the police. The Kia employee since changed his story, was fired from Kia and we are left with our deductible (yes, even though we are not at fault) and even called my husband to ask for a job! I'm left with a totaled car, having to pay my deductible and the entire process stalling because Kia is not responding. When visiting this dealership to search for a new car (being that mine was totaled), the salesman turned on his "bro charm" and turned ice cold when I (the wife) appeared at the dealership. The sales guy had the nerve to ask my husband "who is driving the car most of the time, oh you are? Well then it doesn't matter what she thinks". His comments about the electric vehicle costing his friend "thousands of dollars because his wife wouldn't remember to plug it in..." was distasteful and unprofessional. I give this dealership 1 star because they wronged me, and my family and have not responded to any of our attempted contacts whether it be from me, my husband and insurance. I expect to be treated with dignity and respect from a large corporation, not ignored or dismissed. I would not recommend anyone to do business with this location. Go to the Elk Grove auto mall and see them. Stay away from Kia Folsom. read more

Back for a third time. Appointment was on a Wednesday. Three days pass and it still has not been looked at. Very disappointed and upset.

I have tried calling more than a dozen times and left several different emails requesting assistance with the KIA service department and I am getting no where. Jon P, the manager might respond on Yelp saying he will take action but, this is a lie. Never again will Folsom Lake KIA/Ford will receive my business. read more

We had a great experience at Folsom Lake Kia/Ford. We were dreading the experience of helping our daughter buy a car but were pleasantly surprised. Chris was our sales rep and was knowledgeable, friendly and did not pressure us in anyway. He was responsive and his follow-up was top notch. Great rep! Devin in finance was also great and helped us with a situation after the sale. Highly recommend this dealership! read more

I had posted a review at the beginning of the month about the treatment I had received at this dealership -- it was actually NON treatment, since they were not interested in engaging with me on a new car, even though I had the money, a top credit rating, and the strong desire to buy a car in January. To their credit, John P (Kia business manager) did reply and asked me to phone him. I called, left a message and he did call me back the next day. We chatted about my sales experience, and how it could be improved for the next sales prospect. I did not buy a Kia, and bought my dream car, a top electric brand, and am driving it now. So all ended well, as far as I am concerned. read more

Finally, the airbag sensor went off; the issue was an update perhaps. I don't know exactly because Kia personnel don't follow through with anything after they sell their cars. I am going to update my review anyway. Surprisingly, my wife has been driving with an airbag that did not function. Per the service department, they needed to order parts that were not available After 6 months of waiting for the parts to arrive (isn't that a crock of %$#$ excuse), the light finally one day just went out. It is not the sensor, as the light is activated upon starting the auto each time used. As of this writing, I have not heard back from the service rep or manager! So I do not know what the issue is. I just hope the airbag is functional. read more

Save yourself a lot of headache in the future and do not purchase a KIA. They do not honor the warranties they sell you. Doesn't matter what dealership. read more

My experience seems to mirror many other reviewers. Bought my Kia Soul here 2 years ago--wonderful experience with the purchase. Quick, almost no haggling, great price for my trade-in, very low interest, great price. The SERVICE DEPARTMENT, however, is a whole other story. Been there a few times. Just finding and driving up to the service intake lane is a challenge the way it's tucked away in the back with very little driving room (almost got broad-sided yesterday on their lot) with all the cars parked in long lanes. The intake process is pretty quick. The waiting room/cashier is TINY and not inviting. Although they provide nice snacks, there's lots of noise and little privacy (Tip: Walk to the Ford dealer (steps away) and enjoy their HUGE building, with a large waiting area and individual counter workstations (set up with one's laptop and get to work)--located on the showroom, actually. So, last year, I brought the car in for navigation/phone integration issues. Two hours later, I picked it up. They told me everything was fine, then went to prove it, and it didn't work. Then, they told me they needed a special part or something, would order it, and call me. Weeks later--still no call. Typical. Then, yesterday brought it in for a 3K check and specifically told them my rear tire was losing air and needed a top-off every few days. I picked it up (took twice as long as promised), and a) they seemed surprised by my question about the tire; b) then told me there was some "bubble" causing trouble; c) once outside, looking at the tire they told me "actually the bubble shouldn't be causing it" (realized that excuse didn't make sense) and assured me they took it off the rim and checked it 100%. So, as I drive away, I notice the same low tire pressure as when I drove it in. If they really removed the tires for their "thorough inspection," why would the tire pressure be 5 points lower than all the other tires the minute I drive away? I really doubt they even looked at it. Update: Three days later went to a top-rated tire place in Elk Grove. They checked the tire, found the little hole, plugged it for free, and problem solved. Epic fail, Folsom Lake Kia, epic fail. Based on all these horrible reviews, I think the service manager should be looking for a new career change, no? read more

Folsom Lake Kia - Car Dealers Near Me - Folsom, California

Whatever you do, do not shop here!!! I went here a few days ago and test drove a 2023 Kia Carnival sx prestige and was helped by a gentleman named Trevor. He owned this vehicles himself so he easily sold me on the car. The following day, I ended up calling them a minute after opening asking to start the pre approval process and after speaking with RC in finance, I was approved. I texted Trevor letting him know I was approved and that I would be there later on in the day to finish up the paperwork and get the vehicle and all of a sudden I get no response. I message RC, no response. I'm like, okay..... I was talking to both of them all morning long so I just assumed they got busy. Around noon Trevor calls me and said "hey, i don't know what happened but it looks like there is another couple who are currently sitting in finance and are buying the car". I replied back with, "You guys already ran my credit with 4-5 hard inquiries and I was pre approved for that car this morning so why are you calling me to tell me the vehicle is being sold and not telling the couple that another customer has been pre approved and is picking up the car later." He claimed he spoke with his manager and he told him there was nothing that can be done. I asked that he call and speak with him again because just going through the pre approval and being hit with all of those hard inquiries hurt my credit significantly and would effect my interest rate if I were to go somewhere else for a vehicle. He said he was going to talk to him and call me back and never did. I attempted to contact Greg Dobbins the sales managers, RC, Trevor, or anyone else in the sales department but was ignored or left on hold. The only person who answered was a woman in the service department who was nothing but pleasant and was trying to help me the best she could, wish i would've gotten her name! Trevor called me back about 4-5 hours later, after the car was off the lot mind you , and at that point was ready to speak with me about my other options. Who does that?!?! I should've listened to everyone I know warn me about this Kia branch and how it was full of snakes but I decided to make my own judgement call, which was a giant mistake. I ended up getting the same car, same trim, BRAND NEW, at the Kia in Dublin and was treated with nothing but respect! After I was pre approved they immediately sent the car to detail and had it waiting by their show room when I arrived to sign paperwork. NOW THATS HOW ITS DONE! Stay far away from Folsom Lake Kia! The only reason they have good reviews is because the sells men push the customer to write reviews so they can get commission. read more

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Came in to see about buying a Niro they had in stock, found out about it through Costco. Spent 40 minutes on the small lot, going in and out of dealership office multiple times. No one around willing* to help. Some people were getting help yes, some staff were just sitting and relaxing. Guess we didnt dress the part? Cars are left unlocked though, so that's something I guess. read more

This service dept has gone down hill. I have been a customer of Kia for over 10 years. I recently upgraded to a Sorento. This car has some very interesting things that I didn't know about and I called service to ask. They said oh you need to drop the car off and leave it for three days for us to diagnose it. Hell, Google found my answer and when I went in to get my battery tested the advisor was shocked about what I found out. He didn't even know. Yall sell these cars and work on them but don't anything about them. Horrible! There is a noise in one of the doors, I can't even reach a damn advisor. I leave a msg. Radio silence. Rudy won't even cal you back. I email the owners. The ones that reply to everyone on here. Radio silence. I had to drive in to talk to with my sales guy to get help. Even then, not sure if this appt will be handled properly. This car has 800 miles on it. The rattle in the door needs to be fixed. Leaving it for three days to diagnose is not an option. If I have an appt. You figure it out right then and there and fix it. Hence "appointment". I love Kia but this dealership needs some revamping and definitely needs better communication. read more

They replaced the fuel sensor, spilled gas inside the car and told us it was ready for pickup. When my husband got into the car he was alarmed by the gas vapors. Service manager John Wilson said to drive it home with the windows down, later admitting he didn't know what the problem was and acknowledged he put us at serious risk. We had to have it towed back. John was disrespectful and incompetent. I would never buy a car from this dealership or take a car to be serviced there. They are terrible. read more

We love our new Kia K5, and the sales team Ernie "Kentucky" and Anthony were simply amazing! They made our transaction seamless, easy, and fast! We truly appreciate the wonderful deal they gave us, and their customer service was outstanding! Thank you so much Folsom Lake Kia Team. I would highly recommend this dealership. read more

Absolute WORST dealer experience ever. Will never buy another KIA or deal with Chuck Peterson dealers again. We brough our car for warrantee work. The service department dragged their heels and tried desperately to NOT do the warrantee and recall work. They finally had no choice....and took FOUR MONTHS to fix the car. Gave it back to us..........with more problems than we brought it in with. Gave us the run around on more fixes. We then went to the dealership and just asked them to buy it, knowing it had about $1000 worth of work to do and they completely lowballed us and weren't even going to give us half of what it's worth. Flat out refused to help or work with us at all. I feel like we took our car here to have it destroyed and then Folsom Lake Kia just shrugs their shoulders and says "woops". Kia has thousands of dollars of ours and we don't even have a functional car at the end of it. read more