You've never been? Oh geez no local you! This is native-born Santa Barbaran's best kept secret! Owner is in the kitchen nightly, superb sauces, everything prepared to perfection! Prepared by the chef, original and with care every time. Moon fish, Porks, quail meats are all top rated, don't miss the chocolate mousse! Atmosphere is cozy, intimate, classy and romantic. Well located for a stroll before dinner, great wine selection - excellent service! read more

They must have been having an off-night, because some of the items on the menu (drinks and food) were not present or had to be modified. I had a salmon and clams dish that came in a nice light tomato-based broth, which tasted very good. Some bread or pasta would have been nice to soak it up, though. The service was generally friendly. read more

Petit Valentien - Salmon with clams and mussels in tomato broth - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

What a lovely surprise. French restaurant serving Ethiopian food on weekends! What we had: Lentils. Potatoes. Sole. Beef. Beets. Injera (sponge like bread to eat with) Highly recommend it. read more

Petit Valentien - What a spread! - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

Been here twice now for dinner and have had fabulous experience both times! The first we had an amazing garlic soup and the second we had a tomato soup, both perfect. I had the steak which was perfectly done. The atmosphere and food, all 5 stars. One thing that jumps out, interestingly, is how cheap the prices are: the steak was only $25, soup $6, and warm bread w olives literally only $5. Any other restaurant in town would easily be double! read more

Decided to try Petit Valentien for Husband Birthday as they advertised a Groupon. It was a mixed experience. This is a great restaurant with a wonderfully welcoming ambience. Also everything we ordered was delightfully tasty. However they lost a couple stars because of service and cool treatment by waiter. Waiter seemed a little put off when told him we had Groupon. My advice to them: Don't sign up for Groupon if you really don't want people to use it. Waiter was efficient when he came by but not friendly, very "matter a fact ". Service was adequate but on the slower side. Took 20 minutes for waiter to come back for our orders after bringing our drinks. Waiter made sure he circled and told us how much our bill would have been if we had not had a Groupon. Except for this treatment I would recommend this restaurant, but was not left with the best feeling. Remember, food is only part of the experience. PS no acknowledgement of husband Birthday even though I told them on reservation and when we arrived. read more

Petit Valentien - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

One of my worst dining experiences in recent years, so this review merits a re-post. Buyer beware. * * HORRID ENTREE ALERT!!!! Only reason did not make a stink about last night's nearly inedible Sea Bass - dinner was a special occasion with my 87 year old Mom. This is her favorite restaurant and keeping the vibe fun was the goal. Shame on you Petit Valentien for putting on our plate (wife I and I shared...) that dried out, nearly shoe-leather slab of fish. Looked more like sole? But mostly looked like the institutional food I used to feed the old folks at the home I worked at as a teen. Since I tend to email these reviews to management, here's more. Ordered just one Sea Bass to share. Waitress brought out 2 and gave them to us. A minute later, realized her mistake, and took one back. Nice waitress, but that is tacky. Your mistake- just leave it. It's not easy to keep quality standards high but that Saturday 6PM kitchen needs a talking to. Pay attention to what you put on the plate. read more

Came here for dinner on Friday night without reservation. There was not a problem to find a table. The staff was very friendly. I got bacon wrapped pork chop on bed of mashed potatoes and vegetable salad. The pork chops was very delicious as it came fig chutney. My wife got baked salmon over sautéed clams. The clams in their wine sauce are really good that my wished they had come some kind of noodle pasta. I wish they would provide bread and butter as complementary, but it is a French restaurant. read more

First off: such a cute restaurant! Lovely decor touches with vintage cookware, candle lights and little nooks - great for a romantic date! We did get an amazing deal through Groupon, and visited twice so far. We have tried various dishes, all were good, but not exceptional. We had the following: - Quail: my favorite dish of the four we tried. Great taste on the bird, loved the warm grapes and fig. - Escargot: the crêpe was indeed crispy, I wish the filling incl. the snails had a more distinct taste, the sauce was also pretty bland. - Veal: too much batter! You could mostly taste the fried batter, and lost the taste of the meat, brie and prosciutto. - Pork: too done for my taste, the bacon didn't have much taste, and sauce was not memorable. For the deal you get, it is great food, but I would not pay full price for these dishes. The compositions are on the right track, but promise more than they can deliver in terms of taste. read more

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If I updated my yelp review of PV every time I went there, I'd be reported for spam. My visits here have petered out some, once I started working in the sticks of Goleta and PV stopped serving lunch on weekends, but there have been some occasions in the evenings that I've found myself in the area and hankering for a nibble. PV does not disappoint. Like one night, my friend and I were cold and rather than walk to the car for a jacket, we ran into PV, sat at the bar, and shared a drink and a small plate of smoked salmon, red onions and capers. Better than a jacket! Until we got back outside, but, well, happy tummies. Or recently we stopped in for the Sunday supper. The weekend had been full of gluttonous dining, but there was KOBE HANGER STEAK on the prix fixe menu. My father was raised on hanger steak and still pines away for it. It's not commonly available and boy is it good when cooked just right. The price I've paid for the raw material isn't much different to the full price of the whole four course dinner here, so are we going to turn down this opportunity? HELL NO. 1st Course: Two prawns cooked in shellfish broth, served with lobster oil and black tea. I've had this before, it has a decadent smokey flavor with a little spice in the oil. 2nd Course: Salad of shaved fennel, mushrooms and parmesan. I'm really enjoying fennel this season, so this was yet another good dish with a delicate licorice crunch. 3rd Course: three options were available, and we selected the Kobe hanger steak, medium rare. And the duck confit, with a dark cherry sauce. Was it good? YES. Was it more than we could eat? YES. Am I still thinking about it? YES. 4th Course: Dessert of vanilla ice cream, espresso and whipped cream, each in its own container. The ice cream had a plump blackberry on it, too. It was a playground of dessert and I could dabble in each, or dump it all together. Price: $23.50 plus tax and tip. Really fabulous recession special. I also love that the staff do not rush the courses. I am dining, not gobbling. I like to talk to my dining companions and I like to ask questions about the food. My service is never slow. One problem: Y'ALL aren't eating there. Lately, I've noticed an older crowd. With age comes experience - they know a good deal when they see one. read more

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Petit Valentien is a low-keyed French restaurant tucked away in the quint looking La Arcada. I wanted to go here for a long time and it didn't disappoint when I finally did. The restaurant reminds me of Pace, in which food are prepared with a level of finesse that you don't expect for a moderately priced restaurant. Shortly after placing the order, our server gave everyone a complementary bread roll that was warm, crusty, and served with good butter. Many restaurants overlook this part of the meal and give patrons cold or dry bread to fill up, but not here. Food took a while to come out and the front of the house was also understaffed. The fish of the day was halibut in a potato crust. The fish was juicy, not overcooked, while the potato crust was golden brown and crispy, not an easy feat to accomplish. The fish was set atop a mound of blanched haricot vert and chopped tomatoes, served with a slightly tart sauce on the side. In this case, it appeared to be a hollandaise with chopped capers and chives. The special of the day was a veal shank, braised in a savory wine sauce until the collagen liquified and thickened the sauce. A few stalks of perfectly blanched broccolini were tucked under the veal to balance out the plate. The veal shank could use a touch more seasoning, other than that, both dishes were excellent and only $15 each. We also got a croquette Monsieur for the kids. The savory comte cheese and prosciutto really elevated the otherwise common ham and cheese sandwich. My only complaint is that too much mustard was used when assembling the sandwich. read more

This past Saturday friends and I went to check out the Ethiopian lunch at Petit Valentien. Saturdays and Sundays only. I had never had Ethiopian food before so I don't have anything to compare it to, but I thought it was delicious, as did the rest of the group. Kayla was a wonderfully gracious server and took great care of us despite being the only server and having a bunch of tables all arrive at the same time. We all went with the Combo deal for $15. You choose one meat and two side and it comes with Ethiopian bread and a starter salad. We all left stuffed. We are told the menu items rotate every couple of weeks or so. We each ordered a different protein so we could share and try them all. Also note that you can skip the meat as they have vegetarian and vegan options. The chicken was my favorite, followed by the beef. Both were amazingly flavorful. There were six sides to choose two of. Potatoes Cabbage and Carrots Lentil Mash(served cold) Mushrooms Eggplant Collard Greens We ordered all but the Lentil Mash, instead choosing to double up on the potatoes. My favorites were the potatoes, cabbage and carrots, and the collards. The bread was light and airy, pairing perfectly with the diverse and rich flavors of the meats and sides. If everyone at the table orders the Combo, you can have it served family style or individually. I would say, family style is definitely the way to go since it's so easy to share. This turned out to be a fantastic culinary adventure. I would absolutely recommend checking it out. Hopefully you'll be fortunate enough to have Kayla as your server! read more

I went here for dinner on a day trip up the Santa Barbara, and I must give a huge shout out to the Yelp community for rating this place, It was a fantastic dinner. Of course, 2 nights previously I over payed for a good, but not great, dinner, so I really appreciated both the quality and the value. Being off the street, it was a little hidden, but there is a little legend to the plaza right where the place should be, so down the promenade and around the corner we went to find a small but charming little spot. The waiter gave us a choice of a few open tables, and we waited a bit for a deuce away from the door. Appetizers were the mushroom crostini and the spinach salad. The salad was nice, a flavorful vinaigrette finished it off, but the mushrooms were fantastic. I had to get more bread to sop up the leftover sauce that came with it. Dinner for me was the lamb sirloin, and it was just great, with a red wine reduction and sauteed spinach. It was cooked perfectly. My friend had the shrimp in a ginger sauce, a little fusion item, and they certainly gave a bunch of nice looking shrimp (I don't eat them). Dessert was creme brulee, and we had a glass of wine each for about $90. This (along with La Super Rica) are now my SB favorites. read more

This restaurant is truly a gem located behind State Street. My friend and I were seated outside around 7:30, and there were plenty of heaters to keep us warm in the chilly Santa Barbara night. The atmosphere outside was quite elegant. Marble tables, gas heaters, and flickering candle steer lights remind me of the dainty streets in Paris. Our server was amiable, presenting us with a chef's signature menu for that specific night. The four course meal at $24.50 per individual was definitely worth it. The food was excellently presented, the the taste was optimal. The first dish was paired with a delectable cheese sauce and excellently cooked asparagus. The second and third dishes, the meats, were tender and delicious, the sauces perfect. The creamy cheesecake dessert was an excellent way to end the night. One thing I have to stress is to go early. This restaurant makes enough food for the amount of reservations they take during the night. Towards the end of the night, many of the finer dishes will be gone, and the choices will dwindle. You can be guaranteed that the food is of the finest and freshest standards, an important note in any restaurant of this caliber. read more

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The food was great, but the waiter was not very pleased. Behaved like he is doing me a favor. After all, I and my mom were praise from this restaurant. read more

Petit Valentien - frog legs - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

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We came into town on a birthday trip and stumbled upon this quaint establishment. Our poor server seemed to be the only person at the front of house, and the restaurant was almost at capacity. I can only assume that this was an atypically-busy Monday lunch service. However, she handled everything as efficiently and commendably as anyone could expect. The prices are far more than reasonable, and the food surpassed our expectations. We've already decided to come back to Petit Valentien on our next visit to Santa Barbara. Well done! read more

We happened to come across this restaurant and we are glad we did. We were promptly greeted and seated. The server Jennifer was very knowledgable about all the options on the menu and was able to offer excellent suggestions. The food was very good! The stone fruit salad was fantastic For our entrees we had the duck, veal, and branzino. All three meals were very good! Portions were medium to large. Our biggest concern was that the staff was eating behind the bar This seemed inappropriate to say the least. But overall our experience was pleasant and worth the walk. We recommend this restaurant and we will return. read more

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Friendly. Great food. Awesome lunch specials. Consistently professional. I love the mushroom crostini.

This is the best deal in Santa Barbara. Their food is plentiful and delicious. Couple that with a Groupon discount and excellent service and this restaurant knocked it OUT of the park. Jason our waiter was incredibly charming and gave awesome service. We were blown away by the portion sizes. French cuisine is usually delicious but not very filling. A whole quail as a an appetizer and 14 oz steak as the entree? Unreal. I will ALWAYS come back to this place. The food is worth it without a discount and the service was impeccable. read more

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Thanks to fellow "yelpers" who wrote reviews about this place because my Bf and I found this place on YELP!!! Petit Valentien is definitely a "must-go" for those visiting (or even locals!!!) Santa Barbara. It's also great place for those who want to experience "fine dining" quality and athmosphere in SB, but don't want to (or can't afford) to spend a fortune on food. The food was EXTREMELY tasty and beatifully presented, the waiters were friendly and helpful, and the decor was romantic (great place for dates). My Bf and I ordered their small plates (each was less than $8): Wild mushroom soup (soup of the day) $5/bowl Lamb Riblets in Wine Sauce (yuuummmm!!! and although it's their "small plate," the portion was pretty generous!) Semi-boneless Quail with Figs and wine sauce (yummmyyy, also their "small plate") Prawn in lobster sauce (this is my favorite!!!! the sauce is good for dipping the bread). For dessert, we had Flourless chocolate cake with almond ...YUMM!!!! Our bill was about $37, and we were full (not overly stuffed, perfect!). I will certainly visit this place again when I go to SB!!! read more

4.5 stars! Looking for a restaurant that's both intimate, romantic, yet decently priced....? Seriously this is the one. All entree's are about $19 (pretty okay compared other classy-ass restaurants in SB) other than the duck (+2) and the lamb ($27). All the small plates are $9 and the salads and soup of the day is $6. They also have wine corkage fee for $15! I got the Pan seared duck breast with blood plum sauce. This came with mashed potatoes and spinach! The duck was soooo tender...can't express how tender it is..and together with that sauce...omggggg. The sauce is sweet and savory, perfect combination! My boyfriend got the prime cut flat iron steak with red wine sauce. Seriously, this place has got their sauces down! That red wine sauce really completed that dish, not to mention the meat was cook perfectly also. We also got the Roasted quail with orange gastrique as appetizer. Kinda tasted like chicken haha but another dish that had its sauces down haha. The service was also great! They do get busy and so I highly recommend a reservation! We got lucky as walk-ins. Coming here again for date night! (: read more

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I had a great experience at this restaurant. The server was attentive and hospitable. We had the mushroom costini and the bread as starters. The mushrooms were seasoned well but was not overwhelming. The bread was just fresh. For main meals, we go the veal and bacon wrap pork tenderloin. The brie and prosciutto ontop of the veal added a nice texture and nutty taste to the veal. The bacon wrap pork tenderloin was crisoy with the bacon but juicy with the pork. Overall, we enjoyed the food and the ambiance. read more

I was in Santa Barbara for the day visiting with friends, and it started getting close to dinner, so my friend suggested this place. She called to make a reservation, but they were fully booked, so they said we could sit at the bar. As everyone has mentioned, we came for the Sunday dinner $24 four course meal. To start, the bread was perfect, warm and crusty. Simple salad with beets was nice. The second course was a mini shepards pie. The beef stew part was tasty, but the potato on top was burnt :( It looked like they just ran the blowtorch over the top, but I couldn't eat that part at all. For the main course there were fluke, chicken or steak. Neither of us felt fluke sounded appetizing, so chicken and beef it was. They were both served over quinoa with red onion and red bell pepper, but the sauces were completely different. The chicken was really juicy served with a bechamel sauce and chantarelle mushrooms. The kobe was tender and served with a very sweet roma tomato chutney. Really good. I wanted to lick the plate. We asked the server about the dish and he said the reason it was so tasty is because of the fish sauce...aha! This was kinda like a fancy bo luc lac (Vietnamese shaken beef). All night long, sitting at the bar we saw the servers pull the desserts out of the fridge, plate them, and maybe leave the dessert sitting around, or maybe put it back in the fridge immediately. My friend thought they weren't treating the desserts right and that's why they weren't too good. She previously raved about the lemon scented cheesecake, but the texture was off. Not a fan. The other dessert was some kind of ganache, and I'm not a huge chocolate person, so it was only fine. Overall service was pretty relaxed, food was good. I'd try it again if I were in the area. read more

We went here for a holiday dinner, and I will admit my memory is a bit fuzzy 6 months later, but I remember it being just ok. There weren't very many seafood or vegetarian options (either of which I require), leaving me slightly frustrated. I don't like going to restaurants where there is only one option for me. "Ok, well I guess that's what I'm having..." The staff seemed a bit snooty as well, not really giving us much attention (because we're young? Not ordering lots of wine? I don't know...) Meh, I don't think we'll be back. read more

Petit Valentien - beet salad - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

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I love love the restaurant! I had dinner menu. I love the price. Food was really tasty, but I was sad that my risotto was salty. I would have finished everything if it wasn't salty. Service is okay. Very romantic! I love the food and the atmosphere. tip. tell them not to make it too salty!!! trust me I felt like I was eating salt. read more

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My husband and I were visiting the area from Orange County and had planned on eating somewhere else nearby. The place were intended to go was closed for a catering event, but we were ready to eat so we decided to check out Petit Valentein. We don't eat much French food, but were so pleased with the fact that we stumbled upon this little place. Since it's not directly on State street, it wasn't crowded and was rather peaceful. We loved the decor - especially the copper pots and old rolling pins! We opted for the mushroom crostini for a starter and then had the veal Milanese and the pork loin chop. The dishes were absolutely delightful as were the wine selections recommended by our server! The service was attentive but not overbearing. Overall, we had an excellent experience and look forward to exploring the world of French food a little more due to our experience here! Would definitely recommend checking this place out if you like good food! read more

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I could not recommand enough this cosy, delicious and aforable restaurant. We went on Sunday and enjoyed the 4 dishes for $30. Everything meal was original and tasted great, we just loved everything. Service was delightfull and we had nice insides about the meals! Plus the menue changes every week... What else would you ask for? Will definitely come back when I have the chance :) read more

It was a rainy Saturday and my sister and I were in Santa Barbara for the day. When we read that there was an Ethiopian menu on offer for lunch, we decided to give it a try. The restaurant was a little tight, but it was very cozy and clean. It reminded me of the small cafes and bistros of Europe. We decided on the lunch combination, which was two vegetables and one meat selection. (There's also the option to have all vegetarian.) We mixed everything so that we each ordered different items. The food was actually delicious! Not overly salted, the spices came through, and the injera (Ethiopian bread) was nicely spongy and soft. Other reviewers have remarked on the slow service. Perhaps I'm used to the laid-back experiences in Europe wherein the mid-day meal is to be savored and not rushed? Granted, one additional server could have helped to speed things up, but the sole young lady working did her best, making sure at every moment to inquire on us, and she did everything thoroughly with a smile and lots of patience. (I simply regret that I don't remember her name, but she wore black-rimmed glasses and was very sweet!) My sister and I both agree that the food was delicious and the value of the lunch combination was great. We will visit again to try the French food the next time we are in Santa Barbara. read more

Perfectly cooked fish super fresh crab cakes. Such a pleasant environment. A delight!

This is my personal favorite restaurant in Santa Barbara, and I've only had their Ethiopian lunch on weekends! I love the diversity and brightness of flavors and it's great to get a vegan-friendly meal without sacrificing taste nor spending a lot. My partner and I eat mostly-vegan but ironically we LOVE the fish here so much that we get that occasionally here, too! The service is always excellent. Even though I particularly avoid dairy, our server once gave us a complimentary creme brulee, and not only was the gesture so sweet but it was just another menu item I loved. I normally love eggplant but here it's least-favorite veggie item, something about the preparation makes it almost like potatoes here. But everything else is amazing. I look forward to when they bring the green lentil samosas back. But in the meantime I still love the greens, mushrooms, and lentils! For covid-19 concerns this is the only restaurant we eat at in-person and we try to stick to a corner because the alleyway does get busy. I suggest keeping a mask on even at the table unless actively eating/drinking. We've taken it to eat at parks or on the beach and that's worked well, too! At the risk of making my favorite spot too busy, I highly suggest everyone try it out, especially if they're new yup Ethiopian cuisine - now is the time! read more

Petit Valentien - Ethiopian lunch: yellow split peas, mushrooms, green lentil samosa, cabbage and carrots, spicy potatoes, and beets all served with injera - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

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We were visiting SB from LA and found this place on yelp and decided to give it a try. We went on a sunday so we had the four course sunday deal, we all thought it was the BEST DEAL ever. Cheap price for fantastic french food! We tried the steak and the pork cheek and they were both very delicious. We're already planning our next trip to SB just to go back to this restaurant! :) read more

The food was good. We started out with the beet salad which was not bad but lacked flavor. I had the veal which was tender and flavorful. The duck confit was also very good. The bread was fresh and warm. A great place if you have time for a leisurely meal. read more

We came to SB for bachelorette party. This place was our dinner before we headed over to The Savoy. Most of us ordered the borsch soup which was wonderfully light and hearty because of the beets and the tender "melt-in-your-mouth" steak, yet the steak was still flavorful. four of us ordered the salmon and the duck. The rest of us ordered veal with brie and prosciutto and the sea bass. Three of us ordered reds, and three of us ordered a reisling. Let me tell you, the duck was amazing. It was probably slowly cooked on a pan so the skin was cooked to golden crisp and the entire duck breast was juicy and tender, sitting on a bed of potatoes and green beans, with a apple in a spiced rum gastrique. It was orgasmic. I expected the duck to be heavy dark meat flavor, but to my surprise, the meat was moderately flavored and was balanced well with a tart sauce. It was so good that I cleaned the sauce on the plate with the sour dough bread I didn't want to eat before. Moving on to the desserts, we got chocolate genache cake and creme brulee. The waiter gave us, on the house, dessert wine matched to our taste for reds and whites (port and late harvest sauvignon blanc). They were such delicious complements. I loved the late harvest white and it was so yummy, which reminded me of this ice wine I had that was made from a reisling. My experience there was beyond my expectations and the prices were not expensive for the quality the restaurant delivered. When I return, I will be back to this place to check out their new menu! read more

Great Ethiopian food. The beets were amazing. We came in today for Mother's Day lunch. The staff was very friendly and professional. Our waitress was very informative. My kids loved the food. Everything we tried was good but the dish that stood out was the beets. I've never ordered beets since they sound so boring. Here however they were nicely spicy and delicious. The spicy chicken was also a favorite. The Ethiopian lunch is only on Saturday and Sunday for lunch. read more

Great vibe and Ethiopian food (weekends). It's great to share. The spices blend really well with different dishes. The staff is really friendly and attentive. They let our glasses of water get empty. read more

Petit Valentien - Ethiopian: Steak, chicken, cabbage, potatoes etc - French Near Me - Santa Barbara, California

The food here is exquisite. Whether you're coming for Ethiopian on the weekends or their fine French food, you won't be disappointed. The chefs work so incredibly hard to provide top notch food. The service is wonderful and the atmosphere of the restaurant is so lovey. It is a perfect place for a romantic date night or a casual dinner with friends! read more

The food was OK, but nothing special. Went for the "French" dinner, but I wouldn't consider this a French restaurant. The service wasn't good - there was only one person who was the hostess / server / plated desserts / bused tables in the entire restaurant. Our order wasn't taken until 30 minutes after being seated. read more

I went with a group on Friday. The only vegetarian item was a beet salad with pear and goat cheese. The presentation was good. The taste was good. The menu and service was not good. I left still hungry. I will not be going back. read more

Had a delicious lunch this week. Skirt steak cooked perfectly and accompanied with a simple salad with tasty vinaigrette. We shared crème brûlée that was superb. Service was a little slow but perfectly adequate and pleasant. Prices incredibly reasonable! read more

Just don't go. They are severely understaffed and incredibly rude. We had to walk out after the waitress ignored us for about 15-20 minutes. We had to ask her three times to let us know what the wait time would be. Very unprofessional. read more

I came here with two friends during the World of Pinot weekend. We called at the last minute on a Friday and they accommodated us for a 7:30 reservation. It's the kind of place you pass in an alley and just want to go in - secluded, cozy, romantic, but not too quiet. All the dishes we had were fantastic. Starting with the butternut squash soup, we all agreed it was the best we've ever had, perfectly garnished and not too sweet like most. The quail appetizer was delicious and balanced - plated in a very rustic style. You won't get overly fancy food here and that's how we like it. Our mains were the sole, sea bass, and veal. All plated old school, everything was super tasty and seasoned perfectly. The lemon caper sauce on the sole - OMG. Finished with the lemon cheesecake. It was light and fluffy and not overly sweet. This one comes without crust and dusted with powdered sugar which was perfect. Again, no fancy plating here. Just simply tasty food. Lastly, the service was outstanding. Attentive, pleasant, and everything came out with perfect timing. The restaurant was full when we came in but the noise level was okay. We wanted a satisfying dinner with good wine in a cozy environment, so go here if that's what you want. This will be our regular place when we're in Santa Barbara again. read more