Would recommend the AYCE menu instead, a lot more worth then ordering by the item. The meat here is actually really delicious and the portions are big. The vegetables come pre packaged and served to you all at once at first and just like most of the other items you can order more if needed. The variety of side/apps are pretty wide from the regular hotpot sides, fries, to seafood boil. Never seen that before. The service was amazing and we were treated really well, we came for my gf's bday on 3/10 and the Filipino lady who was working the floor by herself made our experience a great one. read more

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This place has so much potential. I see the vision but it's just not being executed correctly. Starting with the good: I think this is the only shabu place ive been to that has seafood boil, unique combination and im all for it. Its included in the "ayce" (one order), and it was good The meats are decent quality, they have a lot of soup base to choose from as well as appetizers. Now, the bad: i went on a Saturday night which is prime time, they only had one server working which meant slow service. Not the server's fault because she was nice and doing her best but come on, hiring an extra body isnt going to break the bank. She was running all over the place. They advertise this as ayce but its really not. You can only order 3 rounds of meat. This is a classic bait and switch tactic. Its 2026, get rid of this and be honest with your customers and in the long run itll benefit you read more

I really liked the quality of the food here, but everything else about this place felt like a straight-up scam. I honestly felt bad for our server because it seemed like she was just repeating what the owner told her to say that it's "AYCE," but only one order of meat per person per round. So is it actually all-you-can-eat? Why advertise it that way if it clearly isn't? When we first came in, it wasn't even busy, yet the food still took forever. It honestly felt intentional, like they were dragging things out during our so-called "AYCE" experience. I even called ahead to confirm, and was told it was AYCE. Service was rough. We had to keep asking for basic things like garlic, green onions, sauces, and even water refills which didn't happen until almost an hour in. They completely forgot our seafood boil order too. At that point it felt like they were avoiding bringing it out because of how limited everything already was. The whole process lacked efficiency. They should be taking your soup order first so it can heat up while you decide on meats especially since their "AYCE" rules are confusing. By the time you order meat, your soup should already be ready. That wasn't the case at all. I don't fully blame the server since she was the only one on the floor, but management should've stepped in earlier and helped run the food. It felt poorly run and I can understand our servers frustration as somebody who worked in AYCE korean bbq, AYCE sushi, and AYCE shabu shabu.. On our second round, she mentioned the meat orders were restrictive which is when I just started ordering more appetizers instead. That alone defeats the whole point of AYCE. I can understand why sushi restaurants would go with the 3 round limit but you can definitely load up on the first round and by the second round you are usually full by then. When I asked, "So it's not really all-you-can-eat then, right?" her response was: "We have to stay competitive." That makes no dam sense when there are plenty of shabu spots around here offering similar pricing or cheaper with actual unlimited meat and no weird round limits. On the third round, I asked what happens if we're still hungry. She said: "If you want unlimited meat, it's an extra $6 per person." That was never explained upfront. At that point, it felt like a complete bait-and-switch. Advertising AYCE but limiting it to 10 slices per round and only 3 rounds (so basically 30 pieces total) is not AYCE. The food itself is good but the way it's marketed is misleading, and the experience feels like you're being upsold into what should've been included from the start. For context, there are plenty of places nearby where you can pay around the same price and actually get true unlimited meat without all these rules: Moo Moo Hot Pot Boiling Point All That Shabu Shabuya Broth Shabu-Shabu Jazz Cat Restaurant HaiDiLao Hot Pot O Shabu Shabu Top One Pot Happy AYCE Hot Pot But most competitors are: -$30-35 (true AYCE) -$35-45 (premium AYCE) -OR cheaper lunch options ~$25-28 They DON'T: -limit meat per round -cap you at 3 rounds -hide "real unlimited" behind an upcharge Some of these are the same price, some are slightly more but at least they're upfront and actually unlimited without confusing rules or hidden upgrades. If you're going to be that restrictive, just don't call it AYCE PERIOD. I'm writing this review so passionately because I really do like this place and I want it to do better! read more

Shabu Haru - Please stick with wooden spoons with ice cream if you are going to use these weak ass spoons - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

3.5 stars. Did the premium ayce. You can only order 2 meat dishes a person each round, 1/2 of the seafood boil, but appetizers are unlimited. So basically They only let you get the premium meat zabu and wagyu ribeye. Zabu was probably the best meat. Since we had a party of 4 the portions were a little better. Especially the seafood boil. We basically got 2 lbs of shrimp. I basically ate 1 lb or head on shrimp to myself and ate the shabu. Considering this is a shabu spot and not the usual seafood boil, the sauce was pretty good. I also liked their tempura shrimp. It was panko batter and really crispy. The greentea and pannacotta was good together. Service was a little slow but its because they had 2 workers and probably 1 person in the back cooking. They also had 2 parties of 8 come in and a few other tables come in all at once. So props to them for working so hard. Theres also free candy. read more

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Yesterday 3/2/2026 Want some good quality of meat, and Shabu Haru popped out from yelp. I always have it bookmarked just didn't have the chance to try it. Yesterday I did and love it, especially prime chuck eye. The waitress Laila, sorry if I spell wrong, she was so nice accommodating us every request, when my boyfriend wants the soup spicy. She was nice giving us plenty of spicy oil drips. Best part is all you can eat~ and near home. Places is very clean as well, well taken care of. read more

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Food was good, and their house sauce is soooo delicious. But what was most impressive about this place is our server Lalai (not sure how to spell it). Hands down best service ever. She was the only one working and was handling 4 other tables and never missed a beat. She's so attentive and gave the best recommendations. We would definitely come back again. read more

Shabu Haru - Tonkatsu and sukiyaki broth - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

Came back to give this place another try after 9 years and a previously horrible review. Must say, I really enjoyed it. It's recently under new management and has updated to a more affordable menu. We came on a Wednesday at 7pm for 5 people and were seated immediately. The portions and prices were very affordable and you're able to get additional meat at a discounted price after getting your first order. I got a Beef Toro at around $25 for soup base and meat and veggies, and got an extra portion of meat for $9. Sauce (goma and ponzu) are unlimited refills. The rice, ramen, and udon don't come with the meal and are at $1 a piece, but not the end of the world. The staff were super attentive and friendly, and I hear they're bringing back all you can eat, so definitely will be back. read more

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This is probably the best shabu I have had in a while. There isn't a huge selection of meat for the AYCE but the beef and pork belly was delicious. Our server was attentive and ambience is great. I would definitely come back for some shabu! read more

Shabu Haru - Beef toro - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

This place advertises as an all you can eat but limits you on what you can order. This place is kind of a scam if you do ayce. I would not recommend coming here as there's other places. The staff is very friendly though and the place is clean. The food will come back slow read more

Shabu Haru - Fire crab soup - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

Did the AYCE premium, which was such a good deal compared to à la carte! Good selection of meats (all were pretty tender, favorite was steak cut), lots of sides/ appetizer choices (fried oysters were good), and fresh unlimited vegetables. Just wish they had Napa cabbage. Fun touch was the seafood boil, which was a little salty, but very flavorful. Shoutout to the servers were attentive and fast (the Filipino lady was super sweet). read more

Shabu Haru - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

Horrible experience here with this brand new Shabu Haru and I'm so sad about it as I used to come here quite frequently. We had not been here in a little while since we moved but finally came back and could not believe how terrible the changes were. Meat quality and portions were poor Service was non existent our pot almost ran out of broth before we got our meats The servers are running around sweating disorganized likely because they are understaffed The sauces were mid and literally served half full The prices not commensurate with the quality and lacked freshness with exception of Zabuton the only plus The toro was poor quality all fat We asked for add on meat that never came It's too bad as this was such a great place for hot pot and left highly discontent read more

I went yesterday night with my sister and bestie and everything was great! We ordered a large rib eye, and 2 large steak cuts Umami tomato broth, mushroom dashi and pork tonkatsu And an appetizer sampler to share All the food was really yummy, our broths were tasty, our veggie bowls were packed to the brim and super fresh. Our meats were super tender and I love marinating my meat with the marinade sauce. Service was really good too, our server was super attentive and made sure everything was perfect for us It was quite slow for a Wednesday night, there were only 2 other diners there besides us. I hope they get more business because this place used to be the spot for me! Ended up moving away so I don't come as often. It's a great spot for date night, group dinner or solo dining! Definitely will be back soon because I wanna try the wagyu zabuton! read more

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Look at the review written by someone else before and write a review. I was going to go here today, but I saw a lot of differences from the advertisement. I can only think that it's an advertising scam to provide a completely different way by making people come by advertising, saying that there is a limit per plate while saying AYCE, and if you want to eat all-you-can-eat all-you-can-eat, and I can only think that it's advertising scam. I'd rather say AYCE for the amount of $6 added from the beginning. read more

Understaffed on Saturday around 1:15 pm--the waitress was clearly overwhelmed. It's surprising there wasn't a second server scheduled for peak lunch hours. I understand small businesses are trying to manage costs, but having one extra waitress for just 3-4 hours (roughly $60-$80) could help prevent customers from walking out and not coming back. read more

Came here for lunch on a weekend and it wasn't busy at all. My friend and I initially came here to order a la carte but saw that they had an AYCE option so we went with that after comparing the prices and realized AYCE was only about $2 more. I got the tomato soup and it was a bit tangy/sour and had ketchup flavor which I didn't mind. The beef toro was really good and that was the only meat we ordered as that was the only beef option in their regular AYCE menu. The sauces they had were sesame and ponzu which is nice because those are the only 2 sauces I normally like dipping with. They start you off with a bowl of veggies with some noodles in it and it was so big that we didn't order seconds. Overall it was a great experience and I would only come back for their AYCE option as I think it's worth the most bang for your buck. read more

Shabu Haru - Umami Tomato Pork Bone Tonkatsu Soup beef Wagyu Toro - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

I really enjoyed this spot! Restaurant is clean, food was tasty, and waitress was always on top of everything!She was doing an amazing job handling all the customers in the restaurant. I ordered the Spicy Mala Szechuan soup base. It came with chili peppers and slices of mushroom. We ordered Steak Cut, Vegetarian Shabu, and Seafood Shabu. With some ramen noodles for a side. They were so kind to give us a free chicken dish and mango drinks that were great! read more

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THE MEAT QUALITY IS SOOOOOO SOOOO GOOD, get the Wagyu toro period. The tonkotsu broth had such a nice umami flavor, it's like a warm hug in your soul. The waitress is super nice and upbeat, I didn't catch her name but she was super nice and checked up on us. I heard through some outside sources that they're gonna serve AYCE all you can eat soon!!! That will be a game changer. Love the meat dipped in the ponzu sauce, and it came with veggies on the side with free green tea dessert. I'm going to be a regular here now, especially with the ayce option that will be coming soon. Great place for parties too! There was a family celebrating a birthday there. Nice ambience, modern looking interior. read more

Shabu Haru - Tonkotsu broth--must get! - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

This review is for the "Brand New Shabu Haru." We have been here multiple times before the change and after. We came in as a party of 3 adults and 4 children under age 6. Before ordering, staff clearly told us this was not an AYCE restaurant, which we understood and were completely fine with. The issue arose when we tried to order. The menu states that you can order extra meat for $9, which was exactly our plan so our kids could share. We have been here numerous times before, and this has never been an issue. This time, however, we were told that each person in our party had to order their own hot pot and that we could not share with our kids. This effectively required purchasing full hot pot meals (priced $25 and up) for every person, in addition to any extra meat. Mind you, there was nothing on the menu that states the food is not shareable. This policy makes no sense for an à la carte restaurant. When customers are paying per item and are even allowed to purchase additional meat, requiring a full hot pot order for every person -- especially young children -- feels unreasonable and contradictory. If that is the case, it removes the incentive to choose à la carte dining over an AYCE option. After asking questions and seeking clarification, we eventually said fine and agreed to proceed and order. However, the waitress then returned and told us she had not even put our order in because she did not know what we wanted to do, which added to the frustration and made the experience feel disorganized and dismissive. The manager then came over and reiterated that we could not share at all with our children. Our children could have eaten other items on the menu that were not hot pot, yet we were still told that everyone in the party had to order a full hot pot and that no sharing was allowed at all. This further highlighted how inflexible and poorly thought out the policy was. If this is a house policy, it needs to be clearly stated on the menu and explained before seating, not after guests are ready to order. Unfortunately, due to all of the above, we ended up leaving and dining at the restaurant next door instead. read more

Friday night date with family dinner. First thing I observed is the limited choice of meet. Considering this is AYCE, they have one beef option for meat. Unless you go for the premium for an extra $5. But the $38 regular AYCE dinner at other places will give you more beef choices. I will update later to review the quality of the meat and taste of the broth. The service, able to seat us easily, and location i will give them 4. For price i will give 3.5. read more

Shabu Haru - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

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We pass by this restaurant all the time when we go to Daiso but never got to try! So glad we were craving hot pot cause right at their door they had Army Stew which is a very comforting meal for us. We got seated right away and they gave us complimentary avocado fries! Absolutely delicious. The army stew was a huge portion that could feed at least 4 people. I love that they bring it out in a huge pot and beautifully arranged. They also mix it for you which I thought was really nice. Lots of kimchi, huge pieces of spam and Smokey sausages and pork belly make this a feast. You get a side of rice and even ramen with cheese. I thought this was a fantastic value especially with a free scoop of matcha ice cream at the end. Maybe cause it was after Halloween or maybe not but we even got a little treat bag to take home! I loved the vibes in here and everything was so clean. You can tell they take pride in what they do. I'll be back for their hot pot and their tteokbokki! read more

Shabu Haru - Avocado Fries - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

I love their lunch special and very quick service, perfect for work lunch if you are craving for Shabu. Portion is decent and filling. read more

Shabu Haru - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

We came here to celebrate my mom in law's birthday! Food is fresh and yummy! Shabu broth is not too salty and flavorful. Service is amazing! Super kids friendly. They give our kids some goodies, and sing happy birthday with a free dessert for my MIL. it's very surprising. . Not too many guests during lunch time, seems like a dinner place with good selection of Highly recommend family that has kids to dine here. read more

Terrible changes. I used to come here almost once a month and stopped coming here because of new management changes. I gave them another chance yesterday and this is not all-you-can-eat anymore and they don't bother telling you that they're charging you for every meat plate requested. $25-$35 each plate! On top of that, they automatically add their own gratuity. I was charged $73 in just tip! How are you going to charge me that much in tip and you can't even refill my water cup without me asking?!? read more

Finally found the spot for Shabu Shabu place to go. Best meat ever! Waitress are so kind and very clean and upscale restaurant. read more

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Summary: 2 stars for AYCE shabu and slow, inattentive service *** My bf and I heard about the all you can eat shabu on weekdays, so we came for dinner on a Wednesday after 7pm. AYCE was priced at $37.99 per person and limited to 3 rounds of food orders. We paid ~$50 per person after tax and gratuity. Although I liked the layout of the restaurant, we were seated along a dim wall. The Kpop playing overhead was not too loud, but it was not the vibe for me. I kept laughing as people sang about how "salty and sweet" they are. SERVICE Although our server was nice, the overall speed of service was incredibly slow for the low volume of diners. One woman, who may have been the owner, seemed determined to not help our server manage the entire room. We waited 15-20 mins for service each time we needed something, from the start to finish of our dining experience. We twiddled our thumbs for a bit upon being seated. Finally, I swiped a menu from a neighboring table. We asked for water and put in our 1st order at the same time. When we asked for an AYCE order of vegetables, our server did not mention that we would already be receiving some. Luckily, we caught that ourselves and got the AYCE veggies canceled. After the 2nd round of food orders, we found ourselves again waiting 20 minutes to flag someone down. My bf wanted to leave at that point, so we asked for the check instead of a 3rd round. AYCE ITEMS ORDERED My favorite bites of the night were the tofu and kabocha simmered in my pork bone broth... The pork broth was good, not too salty, with shiitake mushrooms enhancing the flavor. My bf was disappointed in his Suki-Shabu-Dashi broth, which I thought was fine for hotpot. But he was hoping for a more concentrated sukiyaki base. - Beef toro. We wasted stomach space on two orders of beef. The quality was not as good as I had hoped. The beef was not evenly marbled, and the texture was slightly chewy when cooked. It had a hint of freezer flavor. - Pork shoulder. Surprisingly, the thin slices of pork were softer and more flavorful than the beef. I wish I had gotten more of this meat instead. - Rice was white rice mixed with the barest smattering of purple rice to extract its color. The texture was slightly overcooked, but still chewy. - Vegetables. Each person received a massive bowl of vegetable, tofu, fish cake, and noodle by default. I enjoyed the variety of nappa cabbage, spinach, broccoli, carrot, tofu, kabocha, and purple potato. However, there was an overabundance of romaine lettuce and noodle (instant ramen and udon) that unfortunately went to waste. - French fries. Crispy, but too salty for me. The sweet ketchup helped. read more

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I had such an amazing experience here! From the moment we walked in, the staff was incredibly welcoming and attentive. My gf and I ordered a large rib-eye, and 2 large steak cuts. The quality of the meats and vegetables was top notch and everything was fresh, beautifully presented, and full of flavor. The dipping sauces were fantastic and really elevated every bite. Portion sizes were generous, and we definitely left full and satisfied. The atmosphere was cozy but modern, making it a great place to enjoy a meal with friends or family. Definitely a spot I want to come back soon and try other menus next time! read more

I love this hot pot spot. I go here often. Sometimes alone. The service is always on point. The ambiance is great for families + date night out + to go and enjoy a meal with friends. I usually get the beef belly and/ or the ribeye. I highly recommend this spot. read more

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Sometimes, you just want hot pot on a hot day. This was our choice for that said hot day. This was my first time at Shabu Haru. We did come on a Saturday at 4PM, so the restaurant was empty. It makes sense since the temperature was 90 degrees that day. We were seated as soon as possible and helped immediately. We were offered the AYCE option and the al carte. There is a variety of soup bases for an additional price if you don't want that basic free broth. At first, I was scared that I wouldn't be full but that veggies bowl that came with the meat was huuuuge. Everything tasted so good and clean. The servers were attentive and checked up on us often. They made sure our broth wasn't running low to burn the pot or that our water was empty. Not sure if they overheard us talking about K-pop but that started playing as soon as we sat down. No complaints there, it was a vibe. My friend, who showed me this place, says that this she never really saw people when she dined here. She was hoping that she just came at an off time. I hope this business is doing alright. I wouldn't want this place to go out of business since I enjoyed it. read more

Shabu Haru - Vegetables, rice + sauce that come with Meat Selection - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

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Let's start with a simple factual consideration. You can divide people who review shabu shabu places into two groups: those who have been to places like Yumiyaki and people who have not. In this second group, the ones who don't know Yumiyaki etc., I believe you'll be able to find most people who gave Shabu Haru 4 to 5 stars. I don't know how many from the first group, instead, would even bother coming here. I did, as a curious and life-long lover of all Japanese shabu shabu and a lover of Yumiyaki etc., and Shabu Haru barely makes par. First of all, their AYCE option is a very "interesting" concept: It's "all you can eat of what we are willing to give you". Which is max of three rounds of meat plus some select one-ofs. Now, I don't eat much and was full anyway, but if you have a big appetite and go AYCE because, well, you want eat all you can...be warned. Second, the meats are just OK. For example, it's not as good as, say, Momo Paradise, and it's LIGHT-YEARS away from the quality of wagyu you'll find in Yumiyaki, Mikiya and places like that. Veggies and seafood also very forgettable. So, is there any reason to come eat here? Uhm...the lunch special price is somewhat honest, clearly it's considerably cheaper than those higher-end places mentioned above (though the quality is abysmally worse) but it's again nowhere near one of those big great deals you'll find around like the lunch special at Shabuya in Fountain Valley, which makes you drive 30 miles just to go there (and I contend that the meat at Shabuya is better than Haru's, so is that of Broth). Overall Shabu Haru is at best a "meh" place, the kind you maybe go once if you're around and don't know what to do and and readily decide to forego repeat visits. I feel Haru's average rating on Yelp is WAY, WAY overblown. It happens sometime. Hopefully, this review balances things a bit. Then, dear reader, you're free to believe what you like and spend your money as you please. Last thing, my review pertains solely to the AYCE option, which should be called in fairness "pseudo-AYCE" (as discussed above) and which apparently isn't always available, but was so the day I went and for the time being, I suppose. However, I doubt the a la carte option has meats so mind-bogglingly stunning to reset my present judgement. Final comment: if you like shabu, and especially if you like AYCE shabu, there are tons, I mean TONS of better places to go to in SoCal. read more

My fiance and I enjoy going here for the price and quality of the meat. We ordered off the premium menu which gives us the option to get raw oysters and waygu sushi and of course we had to get them both and they were delicious! Also, the French fries NEVER miss, seriously every bite was crispy. Huge shout out to the ONE lady server. She really held it down and was very attentive. This is our third time eating here and she's always by herself, but that doesn't take away from how good her service is. The ambiance is chill, just radio music playing in the background. Ok one thing to note about the fire crab broth today is that it wasn't as flavorful as the previous times. I wasn't sure if it was just me but my fiance said the same thing. Aside from that everything else was 10/10 :) read more

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Fast service, OK meat quality. I got the sichuan broth but it was not flavorful at all. My cousin got the tonkatsu and it was a much better choice. read more

Shabu Haru - sichuan - Hot Pot Near Me - Rowland Heights, California

Under new management. This place is our new place for hot pot. We have eaten at every single hotpot places in the Rowland heights area and this place is by far the best! I come here at least 3 times a month now. Service is always great and we always leave full read more

Yumm!!! The meat quality was sooo gooood. We got the wagyy ribeye, wagyu toro, waygu zabuton and more and they were all so insanely delicious. The veggies were fresh and I loved that there was a good variety. We got the mala broth and sukiyaki broth. My friends got the mala and original. All the broths we tried were on point. Server was super friendly and quick. Would definitely come back again!!! read more

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Solid hot pot/Shabu with big portions. Not AYCE but ordered the ribeye for two and it was huge. Sadly, we did not finish... The stove is shared between two people but the pot is partitioned so you can try different soups. Broth and dipping sauces were okay. read more

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This is probably the third owner since we been living in Rowland Heights. This owner add some Korean items and we love it. We get to get an army stew and our regular hot shabu. We been here twice since the new ownership and the staff is so friendly. My daughter loves this place so we will be coming back again soon. read more

This is where mokkoji use to be. The place is small but has a good amount of seating. Came on a Tuesday night and was seated right away. My friend and I both ordered the waygu beef with pork bone tonkatsu broth. I ordered the reg size and my friend ordered the large. The broth was really good and flavorful. The portion of the meat was perfect for me. It comes with a mix of veggies. My fave part is it's ayce veggies. You can order more of the veggies that you like. It's very similar to mokkoji. I took the leftover broth home to eat the next day for lunch!! I love this place and will definitely come back again. Sadly they don't give you anything for a birthday. Also I thought the price was slightly higher than other places for Shabu but still i will come back. read more

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FOOD POISONING!!! So a group of us came last weekend for lunch, we all decided to do the premium AYCE. 2 of us decided to order the fire crab soup base. Long story short, I didn't eat the crab but my friend did. Next morning, I had to fast before I see my doctor, so I had no other food but the crab shabu from Shabu Haru. While in the waiting room I started feeling a bad headache and cold, like I'm getting a fever, that's when my friend who actually ate the crab messaged me saying he had really bad diarrhea all night. I talked to everyone else in our group who didn't order the crab and no one else got sick, so it was only the two of us who ordered the fire crab soup base. As soon as I got home, my symptoms started getting worse and I started throwing up, everything from that Shabu Haru was coming out. I continue to throw up multiple times until early in the am before the headache finally started coming down. Then I found out my friend who ate the crab was throwing up as well. He ended up missing work the following day and had to go see urgent care. Restaurants MUST take extra care while handling seafood, just because your business is slow doesn't mean you can take shortcuts like this. We will report this to LA County Public Health! read more

Amazing AYCE with amazing great quality selection of meat and appetizers would go back with family. Service was slow. But understandable. They had one lady waiting on the entire restaurant. Not her fault. read more

They closed the one next door to us and we haven't been able to find good Shabu locally. We walked in today for an amazing experience, all of the meat is tender and Juicy. The service is attentive. Thank you Haru we will be back next week! This is our new weekly dinner spot! read more

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This is our favorite go-to hot pot place. Food is delicious and plentiful. Meat is fresh, broths are tasty, and the gyoza is delicious. Most important, the service is unbeatable! Servers are attentive, friendly, and so accommodating. read more