Very disappointed. Brought my 997 Porsche C2S for several issues and $3k in repairs later none of the issues resolved. Ron M. attributes several issues to low voltage and replaced alternator and battery as well as battery cable harness. quote: "the language of the car is volts and the voltage is low." It's unclear to me how low voltage can lead to intermittent shut off in acceleration and ABS warning, but perhaps I'm wrong. One of the issues was clearly mis-diagnosed: remote locking of the doors leads to passenger door and gas release locking with alarm activation. However Driver's door doesn't lock. There's no way this is due to a low battery in the key fob! See the photo of his diagnosis on my receipt. FYI Labor is $148/hour. I also had the clutch replaced recently, but as per Ron I need a new clutch - first clutch lasts over 4 years and second doesn't last 6 months? Update: 6 months later clutch is fine. read more

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Update from my last comment since they decided to respond: They took my car for a drive, got a parking ticket, and failed to let me know. When I contacted them about the ticket I did not get a response. I ended up paying the parking ticket because I did not have time to chase them down to pay it. All this on top of the fact that I had to pay double what I was quoted. I now fully believe I was taken advantage of because I didn't know any better. *** You should have responded to my voicemails, emails and messages. Now because this is posted on yelp, you're all of a sudden ready to pay. What you're offering is too little too late. Stop the shady behavior, it will cost you your business in the end. read more

The good people at Auto-Europa have been caring for my 2000 Land Rover Discovery ever since it left its warranty period. These vehicles require great care and can get expensive to maintain, but it is worth it. They do everything from my regular oil changes to rebuilding the engine when gaskets fail, etc. I find them trust-worthy, caring, and always executing what they say they will do in the time they say they can get it done. Bonus is that they recently cleaned their space out of some old stuff so it is much cleaner and well organized. Always feels better to leave your vehicle with someone who appears to care for their space. I hope to keep coming back for the next 50-100k miles! read more

I have one of those old Porsche's from the 70s. Nothing fancy, but needs a lot of TLC. The guys are Auto Europa are fantastic, they tend to my oil chugging/smoke spitting baby very well. Barbara who runs the place is super cool too, she will give you honest advise and will refer you to someone else if they can't do it for it. Highly recommend this shop. read more

This is the only place in the city that I will take my Range Rover. In the office, Barbara is as nice as they get. . .and I am always amazed that she knows my name soon as I walk in the door. Ron in friendly as well, and runs a great shop. His mechanics are all friendly and willing to chat about the repairs that they did. Unfortunately, for me, my Range Rover brings me here far too often. They are a bit on pricey side for parts sometimes, but they always get the job done correctly so I don't complain. . .and they surely will always beat the dealer's estimate. They have stayed late and worked me into their schedule several times, and for that I am very appreciative. I've had everything from oil changes to top end re-builds done here, and would not hesitate to recommend them to any Land Rover owner. read more

As a girl who drives an older Acura and knows nothing about cars, I am truly grateful that Ron and AutoEuropa are my go to car guys. Last year they fixed something minor and changed my oil - no big deal right? Except for they also fixed my brakes (minor adjustment needed) and worked within my budget. (of course, I was upfront about what I could spend). So recently when my car overheated (I was able to drive it to my parking space, but there was smoke and steam everywhere), Ron went above and beyond to help me and fix my car right. We arranged to have it towed to his shop so I didn't have to miss work. He diagnosed the issue (or issues) and gave me a quote. The quote was reasonable and he was timely with the service. He also went ahead and checked the entire car to make sure it was going to be safe, had it cleaned inside and out (definitely a bonus), and was able to get my oldie, but goodie, back on the road in no time. (He also offers to have his staff wash the car whenever, as long as you give them 24 hours notice). All in all he was extremely communicative, understood where I was coming from (i.e., I have no idea but need to be safe), and did not take advantage price-wise or time wise. I highly recommend them for minor services and major!!! read more

It all began when I needed to take in my 2006 Mercedes for annual service. The dealership in SF said it would have to keep my car for several days... for routine maintenance.. so I went to Auto Europa instead. I met Ron when I dropped off my car. A short time later, I got that dreaded call. Ron said my car needed a new transfer case. I knew the car shimmied a lot while turning, but I just attributed it to the car's age. Ron did a great job working with me and got me a great price on the repair. (I called and checked with my former trusted mechanic in San Mateo. They were going to charge more) The price Auto Europa was quoting me could not be beat. The repair did take a day longer than projected, but Auto Europa didn't charge a penny more than the price we agreed to. Ron was super responsive. Always calling back when he said he would and updating me. I notice a huge improvement now in my car's performance. No more shaking! I also notice an improvement in the turning radius. I really feel Ron went the extra mile (pun intended) to get the job done right at the most affordable price. Auto Europa is now my go-to spot for any maintenance/repair work. read more

I had a few issues with my Audi A6 that I needed checked out so I went to Auto Europa because of a deal I'd found online. Ron the owner was incredibly helpful in checking out the car and giving me a detailed description of what needed to be done. He was very attentive and answered my calls right away for the followup questions I had. They got my car all fixed up in a couple of days and kept me up to date on what else I should do to keep my car in top working order. I'd highly recommend this auto shop to anyone looking for fair, honest service you can trust. I plan on coming back for my future oil changes and any other mechanical repairs I'll need done. UPDATE 8/6: I had the check engine light come back on after a week and brought my car back to Ron to see what the issue was. Ron was very diligent about checking the issue and was able to find the source and fix it right away. Excellent service and support, will definitely be coming back and telling friends and family about Auto Europa! read more

I've owned a used '98 audi A4 for the last seven of her 15 years. And I have to say, since I've put her in Ron's care (thanks to a Living Social deal) she's never run better. Ever. Gone are the groans, leaks, squeaks & thumps. AutoEuropa rocks. read more

I went in for an oil change and Auto Europa reminded me that I was due for my 60,000 mile service. I was worried it was going to cost me an arm and a leg but they were actually like 60% CHEAPER than my dealer! AND they had my car back to me SAME DAY! I am going to use them from now on - especially since they will have a Car Wash Station pretty soon. Talk about One Stop Auto Europa Shop! Pros: Reliable, Honest, Quick, Affordable, Offers Multiple Services Cons: Greasy hands. Just kidding - no cons! read more

I have a 1986 Corvette that was having gear shift issues. After doing a web search to locate a place I chose Auto Europa. We played phone tag a bit but after we made contact everything was set. Took car there and Ron was very professional. He found a few other issues with the car which was great as I am driving across country in the next month. All in all a good experience, good pricing and good communication. I will definately go back again! read more

I am very surprised to see other good Yelp reviews, as my experience with Auto Europa was a very bad one. Few months back, I took in my '06 Range Rover Sport Supercharged for a few things that needs repair. The car was out of the warranty and I was searching on Google for a repair shop that specialize in Range Rover besides the dealer. I found Auto Europa and decided to give it a try. They kept my car for over 2 weeks and couldn't fix it as promised. And I got the car back and found out there are 4 pieces of interior plastics that were just laying on the floor. I decided to go to the dealer instead and asked them to see if they can issue any sort of partial refund for the work left undone. They refused. The worst thing is the bill came out to be almost $500 for them to tell me a few things that are wrong with the car, which I already knew they' were broken in the first place. They charge $135/hr but didn't fix anything except changing the oil. Paying a few bucks more an hr, you can take your car back to Land Rover dealership. Don't waste your money here, you will regret it. read more

DO NOT BUY AN OIL CHANGE LIVING SOCIAL COUPON FOR THEM. I bought an oil change coupon for Auto Europa on Living Social. It states on the coupon to call to schedule an appointment. I did that but realized quickly that it's difficult to schedule an appointment in advance with Auto Europa because they don't know how their mechanics' schedules are like that far in advance (I called on a Mon asking for the following Sun appointment). I was asked to call back in a few days. My confusion must have been clear because shortly after I was informed that the oil change coupon was to "bring in customers" and that it is not their primary focus. The guy on the phone, who is supposedly the manager, told me that they have to make sure that their mechanics aren't busy first with auto repairing duties before they can schedule an oil change in. This poor customer service made me feel that even though I am a customer, I am inferior to those who needs their car repaired first, no matter how far in advance you've called. I rather waste my living social coupon than go to this place. read more

Quick to respond to a drop-in for a brake issue. Did not dissuade me from better judgement to go to a dealer first, rather than paying for something that could be done under a manufacturer's warranty. Appreciate the recommendation. This solved my problem. Turned out to be a manufacturing error (sensor was installed backwards). read more

What scares a BMW owner the most??? The day the odometer kicks you out of the manufacturer maintenance worry-free plan..... 5 years of worry-free bliss is now a stress-inducing race to google what that iDrive message that just popped up means-or better yet COSTS. Your friendly service advisor who you've grown to trust and appreciate (because hey! whatever the problem/need, BMW is picking up the tab anyway) doesn't seem so friendly anymore. BMW will have you believe that no mechanic outside of the dealership is equipped or qualified to work on your car. I have to admit...I was scared to death!!! It was time for the dreaded oil change and brake replacement....BMW wanted $160 for the oil change alone, needless to say I didn't ask about the brakes. Enter Auto Europa.... After an EXTENSIVE online search and visit to various independent shops, I discovered Auto Europa. I got Ron, the owner, on the phone. He was very friendly, knowledgeable and accommodating to my 20 minute grill session. I brought him my best quote for an oil change and he beat it considerably. He also got me in same-day. I wasn't prepared when I arrived, however, to have my brake pads and rotors replaced. I was told by another mechanic that I had at least 3 more weeks left on those bad boys! lol He made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Not only was his work perfection, it exceeded that of the dealership! My car was ready over an hour early and I found Ron to be very honest. My brakes have squeaked since the day that car was delivered. I told Ron that BMW said there was nothing that could be done about it, and it's an ongoing complaint amongst owners. Ron's reply: "Not after I replace them. Those brakes will not squeak." He was right. 2 months later...not a squeak. I just found my new repair shop! BTW he only uses new BMW factory issued parts, and offers the same dealer guarantee on parts and warrantees. They may not offer complimentary loaners.....but its close proximity to Union Square and better yet, Burke Williams:) trumps a loaner car any day. Me and my wallet are very happy that we found Ron and Auto Europa!! read more

I had an absolutely horrible experience here. The service light of my MINI came on and I also wanted to get an oil change. I called the number listed to make an appointment and spoke to a nice guy who scheduled me down for 8:45am the following day. I had originally purchased a LivingSocial voucher for 3 oil changes and told him I'd be using that one. It turns out that the voucher was only for regular oil and a MINI needs synthetic. That makes sense and figured that was my fault for not reading the fine print. He also offered to refund the voucher. Sounds good - no harm no foul. I get to the shop at 8:35am this morning. There's no sign and the garage where the shop should be is closed. I'm a little confused if I'm at the right place but figured I'm 10 mins early so I'll just hang out. -At 8:45, everything is still closed. I call the number a couple of times. No answer. The voicemail provides a cellphone number to call for immediate service. I call that number, and of course, no answer either. -At 8:55 I'm really quite confused and have no idea if I'm in the right place (no sign as mentioned). I call a couple more times and nothing. -I walk around to the auto collision shop next door to verify that this is where Auto Europa is.... the guy tells me that Auto Europa keeps odd hours and he never knows when they're going to be there. -At 9:10, the garage finally opens and I'm greeted by who I think is just the space manager. He has no idea about the business/appointments. He calls another guy, 'Eric' (I think), who tells me that he won't be able to come in for about two more hours. -This guy then asks me to see if another guy named 'Chino' is around... umm nope Chino isn't here either. The conversation ends in the following way - 'So do you want to leave your car here and I can come check it out later on?' 'Nope. I was only scheduled for an oil change and I work in Mountain View. I thought I'd be in and out in about 30 minutes'. 'Umm yeah....' 'Okay well bye then' 'Yeah... sorry bro.' Really? 'Sorry bro' is the apology that I get? Quick summary - -I rescheduled a bunch of meetings on a Thursday morning to make it to this appointment. If you are a working professional then you'll be in shock at how un-professional this place is. -No sign whatsoever so it's difficult to know if you're even in the right place. -Horrible experience dealing with the people in the shop. -Since I really needed the oil change and the checkup, I'm currently sitting in the MINI SF dealership/service center. There are enough other well reviewed shops on Yelp that you shouldn't have to bother with this place. read more

just following up after the business decided to comment. I didn't ask for a car wash, you incompetent prick. I asked for an auto detail and your business did a terrible job. You should not have offered to do the job if your business is only capable of repairs. read more

It was the most disrespectful place that I have ever been in my life. I called on wednesday to set up an oil change service. I was there by 1pm, and the owner/manager said that it would take 2 hours to be ready. He asked me to wait at starbucks til he would finish the service. He didn't invite me to wait at the shop. After I spent two hours at starbucks, I decided to come back to the shop. Guess what? He didn't even start the oil change service. He asked me to wait more. I had to work so , I asked for my money back. If he was not able to perform the service, why he made me wait 2 hours. I wasted my time waiting inside of a coffee shop. Just be responsible. I deserve respect. read more

I recently took my 02' Disco II to Auto Europa. The car was making a funny noise after a weekend at Hollister. The shop was close to where I live, so I thought I would check it out. I was a bit surprised at all the Rovers that were in the back of the shop collecting dust. I asked about them, and the shop owner said they were never picked back up again. (question, who gets service on their 40K car and then never comes and picks it back up?). Got the car back a few days later no more noise. I apparently needed some work done around the belts in the front of the car. Had some other issues come up, can't say they were related or not. I have to be honest in my review ... The shop owner knew what he was talking about and I never felt taken advantage of, or asked to repair things that were not broken. I've given 3 stars instead of four or five, because I wasn't pleased with the way in which the shop was organized and maintained. Car's collecting dust, that just threw up a red flag. Shops are supposed to be dirty, I know, I get it. But showing you care for the work place, and having things organized and neatly put away, or covered would have made a much better impression. Thanks, read more

Excellent service...has been taking care of my clk320...no problem runs smoothly even after 9 years...look for Tinio, he won't turn you down!! read more

I am signing up for Yelp to make this post as this is my first review, but one I feel worth making. The service at Auto Europa was both frustrating and disappointing. From the get go, it was hard to get ahold of anyone to schedule my appointment. I had to call 5 times to get through to someone. I would have left a message but their mailbox was full so I couldn't do that either. Once I arrived at Auto Europa, the service was OK but I had the sense they wanted the process to move quickly, and I got a sense of frustration and "I'm busy" from the owner. The reason for my visit was to find out why the A/C on my 2002 Jetta was not working as well as get an oil change/inspection which I'd already paid for using living social. I was quoted a $195 charge to inspect and diagnose the problem and I thought "OK... Seems a bit expense but alright." I dropped my car off on a Wednesday and by Thursday afternoon, I called to check on the status (I called 5 times to try to get ahold of someone). Once I did, they explained the problem wasn't mechanical but an electrical one and wanted $295 to check the electrical AFTER the $195 I'd already paid for a diagnosis which they couldn't give me. At this point I said, no thanks and asked to pick up my car, however they hadn't even done the oil change yet so I told them they needed to do so by EOD so I could pick the car up. I was also informed they smelled coolant on the car and suspected there was a coolant leak but could not find it. After some complaining from Auto Europa about their schedule they agreed to complete the oil change by EOD. When I arrived to collect my car, I had the owner walk me through what was done and what was/wasn't working. I asked if my compressor was working re: A/C and he assured me it was and that wasn't the problem but there was some other electrical issue that needed looking into. After leaving Auto Europa, I went to Royal Motors (VW Dealer) who said they'd check out the A/C both mechanical and electrical for $180 and inspect the coolant problem for free. Well, they found the coolant leak and also found the problem with the A/C and in fact, my compressor was NOT working. I essentially paid $200 for a misdiagnosis and I am genuinely outraged at the request for $300 for an additional "electrical" inspection. I will not be returning to Auto Europa and I will recommend going elsewhere. read more

Great service. I have a 2001 VW Jetta and I put Oil in the Coolant resorvior. I know, how dumb right! Well i panicked and called about 5 companies. All of them were priced pretty low, but when i called Auto Europa they were higher than the rest. The thing is, i didnt have the amount of money he was charging. So i was gonna go with another company. but I remembered that when i called him, he was very confident that he can do the job and do it well. Others just said, yes we can do it, bring it down. but Auto Europa just made me feel trustworthy of their work just over the phone. So i went to his shop, and told him i was $50 short. He worked with me. He did a GREAT JOB. I will DEF be coming back to get more work done. Sometimes its not about price its about quality. They did an AWESOME job! read more

Ron is a genius! My son's Audi kept stalling out and he didn't have any luck at the other two shops he took it to, but Ron was able to fix the problem right away. He's an awesome mechanic and gives excellent customer service. I've been taking my Toyota to him for years! Sometimes I will come on a Thursday after work to get a last-minute oil change before a weekend getaway and he will always find the time to squeeze me in. His crew will even stay late to work on my car when I need a quick tune-up, too! read more

This is THE place to go if you dont have factory warranty on your landrover anymore (although personally I will make sure I will never drive a landrover without warranty again! ever!) Ron (the owner) knows what he is talking about and my experience is that he is always very honest. He usually doesnt talk more than necessary but I never thought that was a problem - on the contrary. read more

Quick and Reliable service. BMW z4, blew the radiator, i was on a day trip to the bay so i was desperate and stupid enough to gum up the reservoir with cheap liquid patch. Auto Europa was able to replace all the required components within a quick and accurate turn around time. Very convenient location (only a couple of blocks from the BART- may make it easy for you to pick up). everyone there was very friendly. My car broke down unexpectedly, and thank goodness by chance my brother found these guys on google. everything under the hood looked exactly as before. Car runs smooth. Job well done! read more

I had the living social coupon. When I initially called, Ron (owner) said that it would be a few weeks for an appointment, which was completely understandable given the coupon and all the calls they must have been getting. I just took my car in for the 3rd and final visit of the coupon. Each visit was very good. I called to make appt, brought in my car, Ron told me when to return for it, and it was always ready. This last time I brought the car, I had an oil leak, which I told Ron about. He took care if it without charging me extra (he said it was simple enough). Ron is someone I feel I can trust which is why I will bring my car to him instead of some gas station. read more

Over the past 5 years I've had two Audi A4's serviced by Ron and his team. They do a high quality job keeping the cars running. I never dreamed the service bills on these cars could get so large so fast! Ron has done a fantastic job talking through the repairs, what's needed, what could be skipped, places to save money, etc. He and his team go the extra mile on customer service. When my repair bill for one visit exceeded $5k, they waived a good portion of the labor charges. Recently, I needed all new tires. Ron called over to Wheel Works to spec out the correct tires and obtain referral pricing on them. I strongly recommend the shop. read more

Bought a Living Social voucher for 3 oil changes at Auto Europa. Few months ago, I called, the whole morning, there was no answer, during a business day 9-11am. I couldn't wait, so I went to the local 76 to get an oil change After few months, I called again, told them I wanna make an appointment for oil change, they said just come right in, and I mentioned right away I got a voucher from Living Social, their attitude changed. They said the soonest that they can fill in a "Living Social oil change spot" will be in 2 weeks. I was like okay... so I went there in 2 weeks, and was told the person that was taking appointment did not show up, and they could not take my appointment. They told me that they are busy and cannot fill me in, and told that I needed to call back to make another appointment for that!!! I couldn't believe I waited 2 months for that. So ended up going back to the local 76 to get an oil change again. The voucher will expire a week from today. So I called AGAIN today, asked them if I can get all 3 oil change that I already paid for. The answer was: "the soonest that I can take your appointment will be a week from today" I asked them if they can give me another voucher to have the rest of the oil change in a future date, since a week from today will be the last day that I can use the voucher the answer was "NO, all we can do for you is ONE oil change instead of THREE, and after ONE oil change, your voucher will be invalided. " Emailed Living Social to explain the problem, they wouldn't give me a refund either. Well, money down the drain In conclusion, this place: 1) Money talks 2) Worst management ever 3) Did not keep their word read more

Although European cars are their specialty, they worked on our 2007 Chevy Trailblazer Super Sport and our 2002 Chevy Express. Not only is the staff friendly, they are knowledgeable as well. hats off to Ron! He's the best! I'll definitely be going back for our vehicle needs! read more

Great place with super friendly staff. I came here to get my rear taillight housing replaced and they were very accommodating. Even though they were super busy, everyone was professional and took the time to assist me. I bought the housing part myself from a dealership in NY to save some cash and brought in the part for them to fix. Rolando assisted me and had his technician look at my car. 40 minutes later, Rolando told me that I needed a wiring harness since mine was burnt out and he was very apologetic about having me wait that long for a quote. He told me that he was going to call one of his contacts at a junk yard to see if they had the piece so that I wouldn't have to buy a new one from a dealership. A day later, Rolando called me and said they had the piece and to come down to get it installed. I came back a week later and Rolando had his tech install the part in about 30 minutes and my lights were back up and running. He didn't even charge me for the labor because he felt bad about making me wait the week prior! I will definitely be back if I need any work done on my Audi. Great place with superb employees! read more

Ron gave me an appointment the same day, ordered the missing part, and fixed the broken window within 2 hours! it was the fastest most accommodating service I've ever received. Moreover, it cost much less than the dealer with the same level of attention to detail. I would definitely return to Auto Europa should the need arise. read more

As a woman and not knowing the first thing about cars, it is so frustrating trying to find an honest Mechanic. After days of being told different things re: the problem with my vehicle and being quoted ridiculous prices for repair (850.00) a friend told me about Ron @ auto europa. I was taken care of in a professional manner and the problem was resolved in no time. Ron was wonderful in explaining the problem so I could understand it. It cost $180.00 which was a big difference to the other quote, and I was back on the road in no time. I have finally found my honest Mechanic. Thankyou Ron. Julie R. read more

simple service but a fuse error popped up after they were done. i asked what the fuse was and just wanted it fixed. but ron said he needed to do a $100+ diagnostic to check it since me check engine light was on. my check engine light was not on, it was the amber service light - that never goes off and pops back on after its reset. in the end something did come up in the diagnostic - but something always does (its an old car) but i don't fret since my car runs fine. i asked about the fuse since he did not mention it and it was the orginal purpose of the diagnostic, and he said "it was blown and we replaced it." never said what it was for ... the dash said "fuse xx failure" ... hmmmmm i wonder what that means. maybe the fuse is blown. but instead of walking out with a $70 bill it was $200+. i only agreed to the diagnostic because my husband said to get it done - for my safety i guess, especially since he was going out of town for 2 days. i'm not a mechinic but i grew up with brothers who constantly meddled with their cars and one being a rover too. so it was a pain to say yes to the diagnostic - i was hoping for something relating to the fuse would come up ... but nope. or maybe even open a manual and tell me what the fuse was for ....nope. docked 3 stars for the nonsense after the bulbs were replaced. read more

Just terrible. I called to schedule an oil change and not only were they rude on the phone, but when I actually showed up on the agreed upon date, they were closed. I called and left a message to find out what happened and reschedule, and they never called me back. read more

Auto Europa replaced my transmission on my BMW after it died on Lombard and I had it towed to their shop. The people were incredibly friendly and I left pleased with their work. Unfortunately less than 1 year later, another repair place in Mill Valley tells me that whoever worked on my transmission did a really shoddy job and that my car was about to completely break down again. They were right, within 1 week, I had smoke billowing out from my hood again. I am so pissed! read more

I always bring my Porsche here. Super nice and great customer service. Will definitely come with all my cars.

Went in specifically for car detailing. They did a fabulous job, my car looks better than it has in years! The detailer was very conscientious and polite. Checked my oil and added some as it was needed. Ron and his team were attentive, timely, and very pleasant. Good experience! read more

Ron and his team have been working on my cars (Land Rover), and my friends cars (including 1960 Mercedes coup) for at least twelve years! They do miracles, and work with me to keep costs down and are fair and clear and straight-forward at all times. Plus, Ron is a ton of fun! I don't and won't go anywhere else. read more

I'm really happy with Ron and Auto Europa. I've had my car there a few times and each time Ron always looks out for my bottom line. I have a Lexus 300IS with 160,000 miles and I just need it to run, nothing fancy. I needed a new clutch for my and Ron found a clutch for a 1/3rd of the price Lexus wanted. My latest issue was the rear differential went out and Ron suggested a used one for about 25% of a new one. I really appreciate a shop that is honest and actively looking to save me money, this doesn't happen much these days read more

So my friend sold me a 325es BMW 1986. Unbeknownst to my girlfriend and I that it needed MAJOR work. Came in for an oil change and the guys really liked the car. after an inspection, we really realized the hole we'd dug ourselves into. Well, with the help of the lovely staff and awesome knowledge they have, I was able to fix the car up to amazing standards, and saving A BUNCH of money on the repairs. best place to go, they'll hook you up, get it done here. SERIOUSLY. read more