WOW!!! That is my first thought after my lunch yesterday at Laurelhurst Market. I had been touring the cathedral of music, at Music Millennium and I asked the gentleman at the counter where was a good spot to eat. He recommended Laurelhurst, and he was right on. I have been on a Reuben kick, and the best remains at Goose Hallow. But this was a close second, as it was great. I had a half sandwich, and I am glad I did, as it was quite enough. I had the Monsignor Murphy, which featured lots of House Made Pastrami, Swiss Cheese, Sauerkraut and Russian Dressing. I typically like a Reuben on marbled rye, as they served it on a Griddled Como Bread...and it was great. I didn't get her name at the order counter, but she was so friendly and engaging as well. Since this was my first time to the restaurant, she was able to provide me with a wealth of information. I will be back...and you can count on that. read more

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My 2 stars is being generous...The four 'Starters' and salads were all great and arrived quickly...Perfect, all....But...(1) All three of our entrees (Waygu, New York, and Flat Iron steaks) arrived about 5° above room temperature...barely warm. All 3 of us quickly noticed... (Maybe they sat in back toooo long as it took a looong looong time for them to arrive after our salads).... (2) I ordered my $71 New York Steak Medium Rare. It arrived...(almost cold as I mentioned)...certainly Medium (or more)... : - ( -- My daughter ordered her Waygu Steak Medium...it arrived (almost cold) certainly Medium Rare... Oh my! (3) The Bravos Potatoes looked great (also not hot)...but to me tasted like an entire salt skaker was poured on it...I could not eat them. (4) We eat out a lot...for decades...and this next one has never happened before (heck..1-3 really never happen either) ...At one point our waitress whisked my cocktail off the table and quickly disappeared with it!! ....and. !! I wasn't finished with it !! .... There was probably an inch of pink drink at the bottom of the glass... Oh My!!...And...a bit later she did the same to my wife...Zoom...her unfinished (expensive) cocktail gone like lightning (wish our steaks would have arrived with such efficiency)... (5) Finally, I've ordered uncountable New York Steaks...but this (almost cold) one was the most fatty...'chewy' one I can remember...and sorry to say...lacked that great N.Y. Steak taste.....Oh...did I complain when waitress stopped by hurriedly to ask how everything was? ... No I did not tell her of any of the above... Why bother. Wait another 20 minutes for another tough, flavorless Steak?...Etc. And like a dummy, I still left a generous tip (Shame on me.) BTW...I am VERY easy to please...but re-read 1 thru 5 above...no exaggerations...I got beat down on my Father's Day Special Occasion...The icing on this cake..I got to peel a hair under $400 put of my 'family treasury' for that experience...(To waitress: Hint...You say, (with a bit of a smile) 'are you done with this?' Or...'Are you still working on this?' You are welcome for that Free lesson that cost ME $400 and a multi-faceted disappointing dinner. read more

Friendly dinner service but very expensive and poor value. Reasons we won't be back: We knew we'd be spending a lot from the past reviews, but the bill with tip for four of us was $400+ and that's without any appetizers, no dessert/coffee, just one drink each, and not ordering the most expensive options. The food was fine, certainly nothing justifying the costs. (We didn't get the steak for two that was market price of $175). Other steakhouses usually include some main course options for non beef eaters, but here it's just the $45 halibut. We all liked the nicely flavorful side dishes meant for sharing and would encourage everyone to try those. Oddly, there's this disconnect: The place is very "come as you are" aka Portland casual, with server in jeans, some guests in shorts, etc. That's fine, even good, if you know that in advance or if you're at a fast casual place where you order at a counter, for example. But we didn't know that and we went there for a special occasion so the vibe felt off, thinking others would have also approached it as more of an upscale experience. The place is huge. Massive tent out front along Burnside (sitting in there would make it even more casual) plus the indoor space with bar seating. You probably can make a request for indoors or outdoors when you make a res. Allow extra time for parking there on a neighborhood side street. read more

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Meh. Street parking very difficult in Laurelhurst. Great for the neighborhood but not a destination to go out of your way for. Overpriced for what you get and the snooty counter is not worth it. Big covered patio but you self serve your water and utensils and bus the table too. Why then the tip request? read more

Laurelhurst Market - Sandwich special. - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

This market/restaurant is named after the very nice neighborhood you find it in. They have a large tent covered patio that to me makes it feel less fancy and overpriced. If you want a nice dinner, sit inside. Our server was rarely seen. Most of my coworkers loved their dish, but my hangar steak was tiny and tough - should have got the NY strip. Deviled eggs decent. Orange cheesecake good, but not great. I wish I could speak more highly. read more

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If you're looking for a reasonably priced high-quality steakhouse with a casual/cozy vibe, look no further. My partner and I just went to LM to celebrate her birthday and were pleasantly surprised for our first visit. The service was absolutely excellent with no water running empty, a helpful server that answered our questions and made accommodations, and a bonus birthday cookie for my partner we didn't expect. The steaks definitely hold up, too! We both got steak frites, her with flatiron and me with Wagyu and were thrilled. LM is nice and lets you swap your meat with the dish/prep style if you'd like and it was perfect. The fries were nicely seasoned, crispy, and flavorful. Do not sleep on the mac & cheese either! The caramelized onion and creamy cheese were honestly some of the best I'd had. Definitely sit outside if the weather's solid but even if it isn't it's a nice covered tent area with cute lighting that should stay warm year-round. It was a nice space that felt cozy & casual amidst the nicer food. read more

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For a steakhouse, this place has excellent fish. My husband loves this place and I'm pescatarian. Every time I've been, they always have a fish entree available and when we asked if it was possible to leave the meat off of the gnocchi, they were happy to oblige. The gnocchi was one of the most flavorful dishes and I would've honestly been happy with that as my entree. The salmon was perfectly cooked. It's a nice treat for us on special occasions. read more

Laurelhurst Market - Gnocchi - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

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What went well? Mostly everything! I really loved this place. The food was beautifully plated and seasoned. I was surprised that a steak restaurant inconsistently cooked their steaks, three of us ordered medium rare and one of us ordered medium. 1-mr came out more rare, one mr came out medium, and one came out just right. The medium was cooked correctly too. That said food was delicious and all of us ate every bite. Service was great and the outdoor tent seating was delightful. Loved it all. We will be back. read more

We've been back 3 times now to this amazing little unassuming butcher shop turned eclectic steak house. Every time the meals have been overwhelmingly more than we expect. The flavor combinations put forth by the chef are amazing. Yet to be disappointed. The ambiance is typical Portland. True farm to table experience. Service is always beyond reproach. We will be back! Great steaks, pork chops, burgers, it's all good. Wedge salad and appetizers pleasing. Desserts fresh! Hazelnut chocolate chip cookie warm and fresh. Amazing fresh strawberry ice cream! Yum! read more

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The food was divine!! Some of the best steak I've in Portland. The service was superb, really friendly staff and well taken care of. Our water glass was never empty, all our food questions were answered and they even gave me the most delicious cookie for my birthday! read more

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We had had some pretty hit or miss experiences with steakhouses in Portland as of late, so when my husband asked for steak for his birthday dinner I was feeing the pressure on where to go. Laurelhurst had popped up on my searches several times and for some reason I never chose it - well that was different this time and it glad. Service here is great - attentive and cordial! The ambience feels both relaxed but also refined - great for a chill lunch or a birthday celebration. Their menu is expansive but focused. All in all the vibes here are great. We ordered their scotch cocktail, hangar steak, ribeye, cowboy caviar, and kids steak & frites. It was all incredible - the sauce that comes with the hangar was the surprising hero! We also tried their cheesecake and chocolate mousse - also incredible. I'm kicking myself for having spent 9 years in the Portland area and just now coming. This will definitely be a staple spot when we want to go out for steak. read more

Laurelhurst Market - Hangar steak - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

What a culinary triumph! I had been wanting to have dinner at Laurelhurt for years and I finally made it for my friend's birthday. To start, ambiance and service were beautiful. We went hard in the paint on the apps with the calamari, crab cakes, shishitos, and deviled eggs. The shishitos are a fancy take on jalapeno poppers and so worth getting. Same with the calamari. The crabcakes were really good, but I always prefer blue crab over dungeoness. The deviled eggs were on point too, but not something I normally gravitate towards. Now let's get to the real fireworks, that meat! I had the steak frites and it was PERFECT. The portions were great, the medium rare flat iron steak was cooked magnificently, and those fries....just go here. Stop reading my review and go to Laurelhurst right now for a next level meal. read more

Laurelhurst Market - Steak frites - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

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We didn't know about the order first and take a seat second process. Got scolded, nice. The time from order to execution was ridiculously long at 1:45 pm on a Friday. The balmy Tent was only half-full. That said, the smash burger was scrumptious. It's larger than ideal and the lettuce was a bit wilted, but still a winner. Their fries are my favorite kind: medium cut, crisp ends, and NO yucky seasoned salt or tempura batter. Maybe an off day on the service. Parking can be brutal especially as their delivery van unloads right on the corner of Burnside. read more

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The culinary landscape has been vast for Portland and Laurelhurst Market has been part of the dining conversation for the last decade and some change. An initial hype machine at the beginning, it earned numerous accolades from various publications for being the "best new restaurant" in addition to showcasing a unique duality of functioning as both a butcher shop and a steakhouse. They've done it in a way where it feels elevated, but accessible, which is a big part of the appeal. The space is super group friendly. Whether it's the covered outdoor dining or the gastropub vibe feel of the interior, there's no shortage of seats for groups of all sizes. Whether one is here for some meats from the butcher shop or looking to consume it on a date night, the nice part is that both can be done simultaneously. (#1) For folks coming to lunch, their roast beef or reuben sandwich ($13) paired with a soup is never a bad idea. The LM Burger ($13) is a solid choice as well, featuring a nicely grilled patty with a tasty slab of white cheddar and a secret sauce. The herb and sea salt french fries ($5) are a hit, which is even better with their aioli. Italian sausage rigatoni is a lovely soup, but my group and I were underwhelmed by the pickled eggs ($2) and somewhat lackluster potato salad . And of course, one should always consider their charcuterie board, which features a daily selection of from their butcher shop, a spread of quality meats and palate pleasing condiments. Overall, dinner is the best time to go. It is the best display of what they're capable of meat wise. Tartare ($21) fans will love their beefy version, which has a nice amount of raw beef with mustard vinaigrette, tabasco, egg yolk, and parsley. The LM wedge salad ($16) is as pretty as it is delicious. If the octopus ($25) is available, this is almost always a good option. Regarding the steaks, the steak frites ($36) is an excellent choice. The herbed fries do complement their flatiron steak. I am always under the impression that one cannot go wrong with a ribeye ($64) which comes with fingerling potatoes and a kimchi vinaigrette. Their grilled hangar steak ($39) is also a very good option and I would have hard time denying their grilled New York ($58) strip. Finish off the sides with pomme frites ($9), mac and cheese ($13), and charred broccolini ($15). Overall, there's a lot to appreciate about the operation. While the quality is undeniably good, the bill adds up fast, and a few dishes felt a touch overpriced. Regardless, this place remains one of the most consistent, enjoyable dining experiences in the city. It's clear they care deeply about their craft from cuts to cocktails, that it still remains as a worthy visit for both locals and out-of-towners alike. ___________ My photos: https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/laurelhurst-market-portland-5?userid=ysCBsXWPB-LAiewVS3jZfQ (#1) The butcher shop closes at 7pm. read more

Better selection and friendly employees would be great! It's ok clean but could be better!

My husband is always craving a steak for his birthday and I've heard never-ending, amazing things about Laurelhurst Market, so we made a reservation to celebrate. We got seated right away, the hostess was friendly and mentioned the birthday listed on the reservation. To start, we ordered two cocktails, the beef tartare, and the shishitos peppers. The beef tartare was incredibly fresh and flavorful and the mustard vinaigrette was the perfect touch. The blistered shishitos were good, however, they were underwhelming compared to everything else and we probably wouldn't order them again. For our entree, we shared the Brandt Ranch Ribeye which was phenomenal - definitely one of our top 5 steaks we've ever had. We prefer medium rare and it was cooked perfectly with just the right amount of crème fraiche to not overpower the flavor of the steak. Plus, the bacon vinaigrette went very well with the entire meal. We were incredibly impressed with the meal and the atmosphere, and we'd join again for sure. The area in which our experience lacked was the service, which was disappointing and didn't make us feel great ordering anything else. After we got our appetizers, and then entree, we were not checked on once and I had to wave down our server for another round of drinks. At the same time, he was supposed to get us a water refill which we never ended up getting. Our server didn't mention anything in regards to a birthday, never asked how our cocktails or food was, checked on every table around us (besides us) and we didn't even get a thank you as we passed him heading out the door. Because I've consistently heard amazing things about Laurelhurst, I'll take this as a fluke because I definitely believe in second chances, especially when the food was that good, but I hope the next server we get is more attentive and friendly. Neither of us would expect a birthday beverage or dessert, but after dining at several places where they offer a glass of champagne, a small dessert, etc. it definitely stands out when an establishment like this doesn't offer or acknowledge a celebration. Till next time - Cheers read more

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We made a last-minute reservation online while at the park down the road at 7pm for 745 We arrived early and they sat us in 15 min. We learned we could share it all. Appetizer, salad and a steak. Extensive drink menu. They offer no. Alcohol drinks too. We had a great time. It was a good spontaneous date night read more

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Beyond beautiful cuts of meat! The people that work there are friendly and helpful. Beyond the butcher shop, they have a restaurant with a menu that is absolutely delicious. You know you are getting great cuts of meat in your dish as you walk past the showcased cuts prior to being seated. YUM! read more

We had intended to go to another place for dinner but when they turned us away we found our self at Laurelhurst Market. We were sat outside in their tented area. The atmosphere was great BUT there were two tables who were just letting their young kids run around. While this is a family friendly spot it is a nicer restaurant and I would have expect better. I know that is a tough spot to put waiters and waitresses in but it was very loud and disruptive. We had two drinks each, a cheese and meat board, steaks and dessert. The food was amazing. I will say the cheese and meat board was a little out there for me. I am not a pate person so that was sad but the rest was amazing. We would absolutely be back! read more

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This is a wonderful neighborhood restaurant with a small market. I went there with my daughter for her birthday. We enjoyed an appetizer, salad and a steak entree along with a cocktail and wine. The server was terrific. I would definitely go back there again. read more

Have come here 2x in the past month and the food is outstanding and the service is great! Even as a vegetarian, I had tons of options and the prices are reasonable. 100% recommended for large parties or party of 2! read more

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Came here for lunch one day and tried the Reuben sandwich. It does come on sourdough as opposed to Rye but I thought it was delicious, frankly better than Goose Hollow Inn, which is well renowned for their Reuben. I only got a half sandwich but that was plenty big for lunch time. Spacious covered outdoor patio to sit as well. Haven't been for dinner, but may one day come check it out. read more

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Tucked away in a quiet neighborhood, this spot feels like a hidden gem. The parking lot is tiny (2-3 cars max), but there's usually street parking nearby. The space is bigger than it looks, with a great outdoor patio and a cozy, laid-back vibe. The beef tartare was the highlight -- easily one of the best I've had. Each flavor really stood out. My ribeye was cooked perfectly medium rare and well-seasoned. The mac & cheese was just okay -- not as creamy and a bit bland. Service was friendly and attentive. I'd definitely come back, especially for that tartare and patio atmosphere. read more

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Steak was terrible. Chewy like a shoe. Cooked way too fast and not rested. No juice, fat not rendered. This place is a hard pass. Over-charred for how fast it came out. Probably got pressed on the grill. read more

It's mediocre at best. My sandwiches didn't have much meat and were a disappointment. I wanted to love this place but left unsatisfied. read more

Laurelhurst Market - Fries were legit - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

I was hoping for the best when we decided to dine here since everything thing else we have had in Portland has been amazing. Casual dining, we decided to dine inside the restaurant since it was evening and getting a bit chilly out. I hate eating anywhere being cold, just not a great experience. They have a huge outdoor dining space. Dimly lit we were able to get a semi booth. I sat on the booth side of course, hubs had a regular chair across from me. We usually prefer to sit side by side because I can hear him better during dinner and I'm not needing to shout across a 2-3 ft table. Simple menu, it didn't overwhelm us with too many items. We ordered the deviled eggs for starters. These were unique, I took out the gherkin or pickle. Hubs was happily to eat them for me. Then we shared the Steak frites. It was funny to see on the menu, under Well Done - the description was - Not recommended. Completely agree! For all the Well steak eaters out there, save your money and get a different meal! Overall, the evening was just ok, nothing stood out or impressed me. The steak frites was cooked to temp but the sauce didn't go well with the steak. I liked the fries, they were cooked well. The deviled eggs were just ok too since I had to take stuff off. Hubs enjoyed his bourbon drink, the Friend. 2025: 4 read more

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Overall okay experience. The food was fine, nothing to write home about. The restaurant itself is nice, good seating, and spacious. Service was okay, no issues. Overall it was a 3/5 experience. I wouldn't go back, or recommend but nothing went wrong per say. read more

I've tried two sandwiches for lunch #4 and another pork sandwich (I don't see it on they menu today) along with potato salad. Both were great but I liked the mixed flavors of the Deli Smoked Turkey and Bacon on Como Bread with White Chedder, Red Onion, Zucchini Pickle, Arugula and herbed Mayo. It was wonderful and the sandwiches are thick. I got a full one and saved half for the next day. The restaurant servers are gracious and nice. I don't know how comfortable the outside area is going to be during our hot summer though. read more

Popped in for a quick lunch with a friend. We liked everything we ordered. Everyone was very welcoming and helpful. read more

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Took my parents out for their 40th anniversary and the staff kindly sent bubblies to the table to help us celebrate. Love kind gestures like that! The atmosphere was warm (not stuffy like some steakhouses) and kind of felt like fancy fast casual which made the whole experience feel very down to earth and approachable but still special. Food itself was delicious and steak was cooked the way we requested. Portion size seemed a little small once the dishes arrived but it ended up being just the right amount for us. Ingredients all seem very high quality and fresh. Would definitely come again! For dessert we tried the sorbet and icecream made in house. The sorbet flavor of the night was pistachio and I sadly didn't enjoy that one bc of the grittiness. The icecream flavor was a coffee with something citrusy. Delicious and not too sweet. The perfect palette cleanser! Will definitely come back. Took a star off bc the ribeye cut we got was very fatty but I guess that's what you would expect with a rib eye? Not too familiar with cuts of meat but we cut had to cut away a decent portion of the fat and that was a little disappointing bc it was less meat to eat read more

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Living off of past reputation. Fast casual dinner food at upscale prices. All of our steaks were tough and chewy and dry. 3 out of the 4 steaks were overcooked. Bartender gave us attitude when we asked him to remake a drink he made improperly. read more

Just stopping by for a great - the best steak tartare perfect combination of great meat mixed with Dijon mustard some oil, pickles and a fresh egg yolk. Also for some deli cuts since it's a butcher they have some rare cuts and deli sausages like German Mettwurst or German bologne! Always worth a stop! Service at the restaurant is great and the outdoor patio is headed and a nice addition to the inside restaurant. The butcher had great knowledge and if you need something special ask them you might get it. read more

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We came on a weekday for dinner. They didn't have octopus anymore which we were hoping to order. We ordered the steak tartare, harvest salad, wagyu picanha + foie gras, strawberry shortcake, and bread pudding. Steak tartare was ok, it needed to be in bigger pieces. Harvest salad was ok. Wagyu picanha was not Wagyu at all. The ends were tough and the middle was undercooked. The meat was nowhere near melt in your mouth. The entire steak was so hard to cut. It was also too salty. It came with 3 sauces, a chimichurri, a wine reduction looking one, and a horseradish one. The foie gras was cooked perfectly though. The 2 desserts were the best part of the meal. It was overall a pretty disappointing meal. We were sat outside with lukewarm water. The patio is cute. There's 3 spots in the parking lot then street parking. read more

Came in on a Monday evening without a reservation and was luckily able to grab some spots at the bar. It wasn't super busy but it was right before all of the reservations were supposed to get there so that's why. The appetizers were amazing! The bartenders suggested wines for us to try and gave us so many tasters to make sure we picked the right one for us- loved that. Huge fan of the steak frittes, the sauce was so yummy! If you order, get a side of the chimichurri, it was so yummy to dip the food into!! I was pleased with how well the service was and how fast the food came out. Will definitely return! read more

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We have driven past this place for many years but never stopped in. Now we wish we'd gone there sooner. Most of the time when we try new-to-us dining establishments we get our hopes up and leave disappointed. Laurelhurst Market is a breath of fresh air. Excellent in every way. We had soup, sandwiches and lemonade for lunch. Every bite was absolutely delicious, and the service was fast and friendly. Rave reviews! If you're like us and never visited this place, go. Today. We cannot wait to go back. read more

Oh my gawd. Pardon my language but this place is so darn good. I don't normally review things when I go out of town, but I make an exception for places that are extra scrumptious. Laurelhurst market is a butcher shop, sandwich shop, steakhouse and also heaven on earth. It makes a lot of sense for a steakhouse to operate also as a butcher shop. The only it could be more fresh is if our table was inside the barn itself. I think I even heard a "Moo" from the back kitchen. I had the ribeye and it was everything it was supposed to be. I also like how they cut it for me because I'm just a big kid. The deviled eggs were of course tasty. The carrots as well. The Brussel sprouts blew my face off. I mean someone should have prepared me. I didn't get a picture of everything. Was too excited. Look, I dont need to get into too much detail. This place is high level. Enough said okay? (4.8 Stars) read more

Laurelhurst Market - Brandt Ranch Ribeye* - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

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Visited recently for dinner. Sat at the bar as we usually do. Service was very good and the food was well prepared and delivered in a timely manner. The side dishes are always a hit and so is the deviled egg appetizer. read more

This is one of the best steakhouses I've ever visited. One of my friends that doesn't love steaks said that it was the best one she's ever had. I highly recommend coming here! I will be dreaming of this meal! We also tried all of the desserts, and the cheesecake was my favorite. The service is very attentive and the ambience is great as well. read more

Laurelhurst Market - Desserts - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

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I came here for dinner, absolutely starved, with two of my friends and left feeling very sated and very full. One part deli, one part butcher, and two parts restaurant Laurelhurst is amazing. I started with the beef tartare which they served with chips. All beef tartare should be served with chips. Hands down it made a delicious dish even more savory and left room for more food. It was the perfect beef tartare. Then they brought out the very best tomato soup I have eaten in the last two years. I wish I could have bought a gallon of it - savory, chunks of tomato, great flavor. I ordered the steak frites for dinner swapping out the flat iron steak for the hanger steak, a recommendation given to me, and soooo good. Each piece was cooked perfectly - a medium rare delight - with so much flavor! I looked at the pile of french fries and realized my stomach had no room. I still managed to eat a mint chocolate chip ice cream that was made in house - the mintiest and so creamy! My eyes were bigger than my stomach that day. I was so impressed. Our waitress was wonderful as well, checking in on us and double checking ingredients to make sure our one friend with food allergies was accommodated for. There were no escapes. It was a delightful evening! read more

Laurelhurst Market - All the food - Steakhouses Near Me - Portland, Oregon

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The Monsignor Murphy is probably the best Reuben in Portland. I've tried every one that has been recommended. House made pastrami was moist and flavorful and melded well w/ the melted Swiss, sauerkraut, and Russian dressing. The Como bread (a rustic Italian hearth bread) was lightly toasted to perfection! The star was the pastrami which reminded me of East Coast Reubens in NYC and Baltimore. Thin cut and flavorful clearly getting a sandwhich from a deli/ butcher shop was the right call. I unfortunately have as in a rush it had to take everything to go, but the sandwich held together pretty well though I did start eating it on my way home Next time I hope to have more time stay so I can stay and grab a beer as well since it's seems like a neat place with seating inside and outside (in a nice covered patio). Great team there too, working hard to make lots of great food. Additional related info: Portland Kettle probably had the runner up Reuben - though it's hit or miss tbh; they import their meat from the NYC area. Goose Hollow Inn is one that everyone swears by and it's pretty good. Edelweiss is okay but I'll give them another shot. Charlie's deli in Chinatown is okay. Wasn't wild about Annie's, Horse Brass Pub, Kenny and Zukes (gone anyways), etc. I know I've tried others, but then come to mind at the moment. If anyone has a recommendation for an East Coast style Reuben feel free to send me a note and I'll check them out if I haven't already. read more