I has a great experience with City Water Filter & Hyperbaric and I wanted to recognize the amazing team there. Clay runs a fantastic business and clearly cares about his customers and quality of service provided. From the moment I talked to him , everything was professional , organized and welcoming. Javier and Jesse did an excellent work , they were knowledgeable , friendly and took the time to explain everything clearly . You can tell they take pride in what they do and make sure the job is done right . Jennifer was also wonderful , helpful , polite and made the scheduling and communication smooth and easy. Overall the entire team made this a very positive experience , I highly recommend City Water Filter & Hyperbaric to anyone looking for reliable service and a team that truly cares about their customers. read more

Very disappointed with the communication and overall service from this company. I was told one thing, while my tenant was given different information, which created unnecessary confusion. After the technician completed the filter service, my water filtration system was not working properly. I contacted the owner expecting them to stand behind their work and help troubleshoot the issue. Instead, without performing an official inspection of the system, I was quickly told that the resin likely needed to be replaced and was quoted approximately $500 for another service visit. My system is only about 5-6 years old, so I was concerned that such an expensive repair was being recommended without properly diagnosing the problem first. We later discovered on our own that the actual issue was that the filtration system settings had not been set correctly after the technicians changed the filters. Once the settings were corrected, the system worked. My biggest concern is the lack of communication and proper troubleshooting. Before recommending a customer spend another $500, especially immediately after your technicians serviced the system, I would expect the company to first verify that the work was completed correctly and that the system settings were properly configured. Unfortunately, based on my experience, I would not recommend this company. read more

Be cautious when considering this service. Although the filter was replaced as scheduled, the water quality afterward was extremely poor--it had a strong chlorine smell and unpleasant taste. When we raised the concern, the response was unprofessional and dismissive; instead of addressing the issue, we were blamed and told we were exaggerating. After being a long-time customer, this experience was highly disappointing. Based on this, I would strongly advise others to think twice before using this service. When we raised the issue, the response was dismissive and unprofessional. We were immediately warned that we would be charged $125 if no issue was found, which felt like an attempt to discourage us from reporting a genuine problem. Our concerns were then labeled as "exaggerations," and we were told that what we were experiencing "doesn't make sense." The business also claimed the technician was at our home for 50 minutes, which is incorrect. We have Ring video evidence confirming the actual timeline, which was much shorter. (Technician entered our home at 1:20:12PM and left by 1:33.23PM per my Ring video logs. The cash was handed over to the technician at 1:46pm. I do have video logs of all these on my side) Overall, instead of addressing the issue, the communication was accusatory and unhelpful. Based on this experience, I would not recommend this service. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

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Avoid like recent reviews indicate. Multiple fix appointments cancelled (without notification by the way), each time someone answers and says "I don't know the calendar says cancelled" "the secretary is not here" or "we will try to get you on the schedule in a few weeks" - close to two months without water now. Coincidence or not, issues began after a routine service was performed for the first time and then impossible to get someone back out for a fix. Communication, system performance, and support are severely lacking. Disappointing. I'll be happy to update this review if communication and professionalism improve. read more

Avoid this company if you don't want to end up with multiple leaks in your house and no one to respond when they occur. They'll void your warranty based on their convenience, leaving you with a leak and no water even after paying them overpriced, low-quality hardware for years. I strongly advise people to do more research and steer clear of this company. read more

TLDR just look at the screenshot lol My initial installation of a water softener was great 5 years ago. Within the last year, some piston broke in the valve so I called for service and was told the person who knew these systems is not there anymore so no service, no choice. They'll just sell me a brand new system. Not jazzed about that. Few months later I had time to focus on this again so called them up. Same thing, won't fix anymore, just install a new system. Fine, but man was communication terrible. No sympathy, no patience. In a short call (literally 5minutes) I was told: - "Yeah I just don't like working on those systems anymore they break" - "It's out of warranty so no I'm not going to work on it. Doesn't matter if you want to fix it or not." - "I don't care how you feel dude, this is how it is, take it or leave it." - "If you don't want a new system just go somewhere else, it's not my problem." - "I chose to take your call on a Sunday, what else do you want?" When I said "the feedback is you're making me feel like crap for choosing you guys now" he just hung up on me. Their actual work might be good but how can you trust a place that doesn't care about your and actually yells at you for wasting their time? Probably one of the rudest business owners I've ever talked to. UPDATE: Owner's reply is perfect. Doesn't deny anything except "yelling". Texts me to call me a baby again just in case. Model behavior. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Anger management issues maybe - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

S E R V I C E 1. Upgrade an existing RO (reverse osmosis) system 2. Set up a hot and cold water pipe with an additional hot water tank +++Quick response within an hour on Yelp and was able to schedule an appointment within the week. It only took 2-3 hours for the installation. Q U A L I T Y + Well done job and helpful in explaining how the filler and water heater work V A L U E * $1,000 for everything plus (1) a free filter to make the water alkaline for the fifth stage of filtration and (2) a water leak detector that shuts off the water to prevent it from leaking into the house T L ; D R Fantastic and super quick service. The owner, Clay, is incredibly friendly and great at explaining how things work. Making tea is effortless now that we don't have to regularly descale the water boiler. Thank you for your help! read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Compact water heater tank (silver) and cold water tank (white) - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

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UPDATE: The owner commented on this review stating that my system "cracked" and caused the leak. I'm not sure how he would know this, as he never inspected the system before or after the incident. The technician who serviced my unit-- a disheveled young man --was the only person who saw it in person. After the leak, I tried to contact the owner directly, but he blocked my number following my messages about the significant water damage. I subsequently hired a reputable, independent plumber to assess and repair the problem. The cause turned out to be a sealant issue, not a cracked system. I'm sharing this to clarify the facts for anyone considering this company for service. read more

After all these years of using this company, I am still glad I did. Clay, who initially stalled my water softener and reverse osmosis system, came out to fix an issue on the same day that I called. You really can't beat service like that, where they happen to be in the area and stop by to take a look at the problem. He was efficient and resolved the issue I had. Thanks a lot! read more

I've had a city water filter whole house filter system since 2019. Never really had any issues until the last year as sediment has become a problem on DSRSD water. System clogged with sediment sometime in the last 6 months and I didn't even realize it until filters were changed for my annual service. Luna and Sal were out today to install a second sediment filter which is bigger micron to hopefully keep the system from clogging in the future. They were in and out in barely 35 minutes. Great service per usual, thanks! read more

Had an inquiry on our existing water softener system. The owner was very helpful and patient. He set up the time to help look through the problem through video call and helped confirmed and resolved our inquiry. We appreciated his willingness to help and his professionalism. Highly recommend! read more

Beyond infuriating. Since installing two years ago, they sent people who didn't know how to do the work. Last week, Fernando showed up 20 mins late and told me he's not moving anything in the garage and not moving anything back and asked me where the water shut off valve is. How am I suppose to know? No one told me to move anything. He said we'll need to reschedule. The lady who rescheduled me, I asked if I need to do anything to prep for the reschedule or move anything around. She said no, they'll do everything because the owner will come himself. Day came, owner had to cancel and they rescheduled me for today. Fernando shows up. 45 mins late. Moves around everything in my garage, tossing the filter plastic wrapper on the ground, everything wet. I didn't check the garage since I wrote him a check inside the house by my kitchen. Everything was left a mess. I paid $633 "with a discount" clay said, for a membrane and filter change. I called clay, the owner, who said he already gave me a 10% discount for not paying cc and "at least it got done". He also said he doesn't know what my garage looked like beforehand. I said well, I saw Fernando taking pictures in on the camera beforehand. They didn't tell me Fernando was coming today. Clay said this is his only guy right now to service things. I'm so furious at how this all turned out. Worst decision ever to go with city water filter. Don't do it. Seems like fake reviews on Yelp. Apparently he incentivizes good reviews on Yelp for employee bonuses. read more

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We hired them to install a water filtration system for $3,850. It was agreed, and confirmed by the owner, **Clay Rosson**, that we would receive **brand-new equipment** with warranties. However, after installation, it was clear the equipment was likely **refurbished or used**, violating our agreement. When I questioned this, Clay, the **owner**, became defensive and denied the issue. On top of that, their faulty installation caused a **water leak**, damaging our kitchen cabinets. Despite this, Clay downplayed the damage and offered an insultingly low estimate for repairs. Instead of addressing the issue properly, **Clay filed a Preliminary Notice to Lien** on our property simply because I didn't back down and was prepared to dispute the charge. He's now using the lien as leverage instead of fixing the problem. Throughout this, Clay refused to install **shut-off valves** without charging extra fees, installed a **circulation pump with zip ties**, and blamed my refrigerator when the filtration system caused the ice maker to stop working. His solution was to charge me more for a booster pump, rather than addressing the real problem. Even more troubling, Clay's behavior became hostile and unprofessional. He sent **threatening text messages**, verbally threatened to harm **Robert**, our representative, and even said, "Go ahead and write the review. No one's going to believe you." His attitude was alarming, making me seriously question how he treats customers and runs his business. I highly recommend that **you do not pay this company in cash** despite the **5% discount** they offer, as it's a way to make it harder for you to dispute issues. **Always pay by credit card** to protect yourself. The fact that Clay filed a lien over a potential dispute shows just how unprofessional and desperate they are. Based on my experience, I **cannot recommend City Water Filter Corporation**. Be cautious if you consider hiring them, and be prepared for unprofessional conduct and threats if things go wrong. City Water Company has a pattern of installing used or refurbished equipment while charging for new products. When homeowners confront them about this deceptive practice, the company threatens to place a lien on the property. Instead of addressing the issue, they resort to legal tactics to intimidate homeowners. To make matters worse, you can find multiple reviews where the owner insults and curses at clients when they raise concerns. Many customers have also reported that his installations often leak, and he refuses to fix the issues. In addition, he sometimes offers to "fix" cabinets but insists on making one cabinet look completely different from the others, even when homeowners request that all cabinets match. When you push back, he simply ignores your requests. Be aware that if you leave a review, your supposed five-year warranty could be voided. Many reviews mention that once a customer voices any dissatisfaction, the warranty "goes out the door." Ask yourself if you want to deal with someone like this for 5 to 10 years, especially when he refuses to listen or respect your freedom to speak up about the issues. I took some screenshots showing how he treats customers. Ask yourself, would you want to deal with City Water for years, being cursed out and threatened? Would you want a lien put on your house because of used equipment and abusive practices? Homeowners, let's protect ourselves from this company. If you're willing to go through that kind of abuse, then go ahead and use them. But I strongly recommend staying far away. read more

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I had a whole house filter + Moen Flo Smart kit installed by Luna and Jesse with no issues nor hiccups. The were very professional and patient with answering all of my questions. They called the business owner, Clay, to double check on installation procedure prior to starting any work (more so due to my setup). Also, Sierrah was very communicative and responsive when it came down to scheduling and providing updated invoices. Thank you Luna, Jesse, and Sierrah! read more

Luna and Jessie did a great job removing an old and installing a new RO. In addition, installed a water softener and a whole house filter in Dublin. Very professional and clean. Clay did a great job explaining everything over phone. Using them again for future services. read more

Needed to swap out the old water softener. Called on Thursday and they were out on Saturday. Luna did a great job, despite his co-worker not showing up. All finished in a couple of hours. I've been using City Water since 2018 and they have always been great. read more

I will never use this business and would share the same with neighbors, friends and coworkers. City Water Filter replaced my filters on Monday (2/5/24), and caused a water leak, which I reported the same day. After much back and forth, they scheduled a fix for Saturday evening (2/10/24). As one would normally experience, I expected them to take full responsibility and make things right. However, to my surprise, on Saturday they came in expecting me to pay for the full system replacement. This didn't seem right to me and therefore I rejected the proposal. They left without making any fix. I have honestly never had this kind of experience with a small business. I wouldn't have worked with them in the first place given there are 10s of other businesses rated much higher on Yelp. I kind of inherited them from the previous home owner and forgot to do my due diligence. I've paid them $640 for the filter replacements, and am left with a leaky water filtration system. [Edit] I found another Water Filtration Business, who fixed the leak! It was the automatic shutoff valve, which they replaced for under 200! This goes to show that the 5 year warranty is a farce. Just find yourself a trustworthy business and try and maximize the use of resources. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

Clay was amazing and found a solution to a difficult problem. Great follow up and service

Unprofessional Installation and Poor Customer Service I had a very disappointing experience with City Water Filtration Service. After their recent visit, we noticed the wall-mounted filtration unit was not properly secured. It's clearly unstable and could easily come off the wall -- a serious safety concern. When I contacted them about this, I was shocked to be told it would cost $250 just to come back and fix their own poor installation. To make matters worse, Clay, the owner, was extremely arrogant and dismissive when I tried to raise the issue. There was no accountability or professionalism -- just attitude. I expected better service and integrity, especially for something that directly affects my home's water supply and safety. Would not recommend this company to anyone looking for reliable or respectful service. There are better and more professional providers out there. ============================================ Follow up based on Clay's response The bracket was secure for 8 years. It became loose only after your technician removed it to change the filters and failed to reattach it properly. This issue did not exist before your service. You acknowledged responsibility by offering to fix it at the next service -- a year later -- while the unit remains a safety risk. That's unreasonable. Your technician should have done his due diligence to ensure the unit was securely reinstalled before leaving. Charging $250 to correct your team's mistake, then calling me "irrational" for objecting, is unprofessional. This kind of behavior is consistent with patterns shown in other negative reviews. You've lost a customer -- and any future referrals. I'm posting this to help other potential customers avoid the same experience. read more

This is my third year with their whole-house filtering system. Every year, they come to replace my filters. They reminded filter timing in a very polite way (not pushy way) and responded quickly when I asked them to schedule my filter replacement. Today, it was Devon who came for the service. Devon was very polite, nice, and quick to work. This is no-shoe house but he removed his shoes without me nudging him and communicate really well about what needs to be done to make sure my system keeps running. Great services. read more

I been using City water filter for over 8 years now. Chris stop by this week to replace my yearly filters for the RO system. He did a great job and help test my water to recommend any additional system I might use. Happy customer and will keep using! read more

Thank you Devan for a fast, efficient reverse osmosis water filter change. Really appreciated how he kept our place clean during the install and explained each of the new filters added, plus sharing how much our old filters had filtered out. Thanks Devan! read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

They will use second hand plumbing and other materials that looks pretty gross. And on the clean water side! These are not expensive so what's the point of saving a few bucks? I had to reinstall the plumbing myself with new connectors. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

This is my 4th year with City Water Filter and I'm continued to be satisfied with City Water's promptness. Quick shoutout to the technician Juan, he came and changed the filters quickly, during which he was very professional and respectful. read more

City water filter has always been great for us. We switched over from Culligan who were objectively terrible service and cost wise. City Water Filter has given us great service at a good price. Jesse and Luna did a great installation too for our triple water filter and RO system. read more

We had to have our whole house water softener / filter replaced, it was 10 years old. I contacted City Water, who installed it originally and has always provided great service for routine maintenance like replacing the filter, checking the system operation, and etc. Well, they did not disappoint! Everything was super professional, from the project scheduling (got it scheduled for literally 2 days after I called them), moving / adjusting the schedule to accommodate what work needed to be done, and finally the work itself -- the guys showed up earlier than the scheduled time, were totally professional and got the job done quickly and thoroughly for what seems to me a very reasonable price. Highly recommend this company! read more

Last night (Sunday) I found one of the filter tank is leaking so I sent a message and left voice to request for a repair service. They response super fast on early Monday Morning and immediately sent Chris and Larry here to fix the leaking. It was schedule at 12-2pm but Chris and Larry knew this is urgent so they came much earlier which helps a lot! They the are nice and professional. They replace the blue tank in 30 min. This service is at no charge since the equipment is under warranty! I can trust them and use their product comfortably. I've been using their service for 4 years and they've been doing annually maintenance. Everything goes well. read more

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Devan Edmonds was very professional and nice. He was prompt and courteous. He explained the process of what needs to be done after the filters are changed. We are very happy with his service and highly recommend him. Thank you Devan. read more

Edit: And here is Mr. Clay Smartypants exposing his trademark defensive and blame shifting behavior as expected. Readers of this post - First of all these images were taken after his so called technicians did their best "to remedy the situation" (I have posted few more pics). Resin beads in Faucet Aerators, shower head's pipe, water heater's pre filter, toilet tanks and malfunctioning fill valves. Please make your best guess as to why you would see drop in water pressure. Do you really think scale build up is the problem here ? Furthermore, this is a public forum and he is talking shit even after posting proof of a failed installation. Imagine talking to this guy over the phone to convince there is indeed a problem. Asking for compensation are all part of legal process. It is called a demand letter and you are required to send one before suing a company. One more time guys. DO NOT GIVE THIS COMPANY YOUR BUSINESS. Read through the negative comments one more time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY FOR YOUR OWN GOOD AND PEACE OF MIND Posting this review in the interest of the general public as I do NOT want anyone to go through what I went through. Also, beware they will not do installation as per standards and will only use cheap materials. I had several plumbers come home to diagnose and assess the problem I am describing below - every single one of them laughed at how the installation was done. I hired City Water Filter to install the Whole House Water Filtration System, Water Softener and a RO Purification System. My experience with them has been very unpleasant and I find them (especially manager Clay) to be rude and unprofessional. Following the installation, we experienced reduced water pressure throughout the home. I also started seeing resin beads (media inside water softener) in home's plumbing system (eventually affecting every single plumbing fixture) They came home on 4 different occasions to "fix" / "analyze" the problem, but they never really fixed it. On the 5th callback, a couple of technicians came home and took out some resin beads, but failed to fix the problem. Out of concern, I called Pentair (water softener manufacturer) seeking an answer to my question - "What causes resin beads to leak into plumbing system". I was told right off the bat that the water softener's inlet and outlet pipe was connected backwards. It was very dreadful and unpleasant to see a company had overlooked and failed in executing the very basics of the business that they are licensed for. I mean, hooking up the water softener's connection backwards is a terrible mistake by itself. Overlooking that mistake over a series of callbacks is messing things up on a whole different level. Once you start seeing resin beads in the plumbing system, any person with common sense would know the water softener as well as the entire home's plumbing system has been compromised. It seriously takes guts to defend even after showing pictures of resin beads (supporting my claim). I later realized it wasn't worth proving them wrong and started considering legal actions as the repair costs exceed the installation amount. read more

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Clay and crew are AWESOME! Installed a water softener system, RO system, and a pump to increase our water pressure for us. This project had some challenges, but these guys handled everything with ease. Highly recommend them for your water filtration or water pressure needs! read more

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Updated review 9/28/23: it's been almost 7 years since City Water installed my softener system and RO system. They have always done an amazing job coming out annually to replace the filters and such. This time around it was time to change out my whole RO system for a new one, mine was getting to end of life and I didn't want any issues. Clay initially came out and assessed my systems and gave his recommendations. He is amazing, full of awesome knowledge and great to talk to. Next day he had Larry and his son swing by to set up the systems. I got the new RO system and added a carbon filter to my existing water softener that also has a sediment filter. The two of these combined will definitely provide cleaner water. Overall, everything took about a little over an hour. Larry and his son were very professional, polite and finished everything perfectly. City water is the only place I'll go through. They love their customers and always go above and beyond. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - My set up - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

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I would give 0 stars if possible. The receptionist quoted $150 on phone for changing four filters on my reverse osmosis filter. I wasn't home when they showed up on a time not agreed upon. My husband was home but he didn't know what was being serviced. They ended up charging him $420 for changing 4 filters which are $20 each at the most and which took all of 15 minutes. When I called the owner, he was rude and not ready to send us the break up of parts and labor and asked to not call him again. Avoid this business if you can. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - This is the type of customer service this company provides. - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

Purchased a reverse osmosis system which was professionally installed under the kitchen sink by Larry and his son. Clay the owner is very knowledgeable and passionate about water and his filtration systems. The installers showed up on time and installed my system within 2 hours and also installed a line to my refrigerator so that my ice and water from the fridge is filtered. They did an excellent job installing my RO system and the installation was done cleanly and carefully. TDS (total dissolved solids) before installation from my drinking water was 180. After the installation of my RO system the TDS is now 14. My water tastes great! If you're looking for a reverse osmosis system at a very reasonable price I would highly recommend City Water Filter. read more

This was not a good experience; had a quote for the service, we scheduled a time , plumber arrived - job is larger than they thought can't perform it alone and the cost is doubled. Ok, we can get past that all I want is the work to be done - schedule another time, they come and perform the service. They request payment immediately, ok no problem. Later see that I have a drip coming from the filtering system, not sure how to stop it, reached back out to them two times but no response :( I currently just have the water filtration system in bypass mode as I look for someone else to come look at it. Those are the facts. read more

Fernando came out and worked on our filter system. He was quick efficient and friendly. Really enjoyed talking to him as he gave us some really nice friendly tips on what to do in maintaining everything and troubleshooting tips. He even went so far as to check for leaks because he didn't want to have us get charged extra for having to come back out. If you get your filter done through here - ask for Fernando ! read more

I am incredibly pleased with the service I received from City Water Filter. From the initial consultation to the ongoing maintenance, their professionalism has been outstanding. They consistently demonstrate a commitment to providing clean and safe water. read more

Scam Alert! City Water Filter (CWF) installed our water filter 2 years ago. We chose CWF because Chris came to our house, talked intelligently about the product, did a hardness test and told us we didn't need the full-fledged water softener as our water was not hard. The price CWF quoted us for their system was the same as the full water softener from a competing vendor. We decided to go with CWF Later we found out from San Jose Water that our water in Almaden is as hard as it gets. We even verified it with a water hardness kit and sent the results to CWF. However instead of acknowledging their mistake they wanted to charge full price to upgrade our system to a full water softener. And this after their own technician admitted to us their partial softener system doesn't work in our area Totally unprofessional behavior and not something you expect from a company dealing with something as important and basic as water quality PS we had chosen clear glass for one of our showers. The entire thing is ruined and has water stains now!! PPS Regarding the comment from Chris below- this is the crap they pull! My experience is now 2 years old. I asked San Jose water right after your installation at that time. And tested right after. I just delayed posting the review because I didn't want a nasty review affecting your business. BUT now I know I made the right decision. You guys have not changed. The lies continue read more

Originally contacted CWF to talk about a salt/resin/RO water softening solution for my home, so the awful & criminally overpriced San Jose water would stop ruining everything it touches. Clay came out and we got to talking and I ended up deciding to go with a Voltea Capacitive Deionization (DiEntry) system instead - higher up-front costs but no salt, no wasteful RO. Chris & Larry showed up at the agreed time, got the install handled, and were nice & courteous along the way. We had a leakage hiccup later on, but Clay came back and handled it as soon as he could and it's been smooth sailing ever since. The product itself is terrific - I now have water without pulp! TDS from the tap beforehand was 300-400, and is now in the 50s. The water reminds me of the terrific aquifer water I grew up with on Long Island. read more

City Water Filter and Hyperbaric - Voltea DiEntry - Water Purification Services Near Me - San Jose, California

we were recommended to Clay (owner). He came out and walked us through the system and we decided on the spot to proceed. We scheduled the installation, Larry and his son (Larry) showed up. They were amazing and did an incredible job and kept things clean and tidy. Larry walked us through the installation, and afterwards explained what ne to be done. High recommend City Water Filter. read more

UPDATE: I lived in this house for 4.5 years. I've made sure with the service lady that I still had warranty left. Clay is not only rude but also very dishonest. What a shame. ------- Been with the company about 10 years on two different houses. It has been good until a problem surfaced on my water filter. Started to leak after their annual filter replacement, about $600. I called and they replaced the faucet but leak continued. Leak detection mechanism kicked in and stopped producing water. Emailed them and I was told to buy the parts from Amazon and replace it myself. After I replaced it twice,the problem came back. I called them and said I'd like get warranty service. They told me they suspect faulty filter and told me to replace filters ahead of schedule. Paid $340. Leak remained. I called them and they told me to replace more filter for $$. I told the service lady it is not fair to have me fix and pay every time. She said to pay extra $$ and there is nothing she could do as she just work there and don't make decisions. I asked her to have the owner to call me but they have been dodging my calls and refused to call me back. After reading other reviews and talking to my friends, they are having the same issues of the owner being rude and avoiding the warrant services . I don't know what happened to olthe owner's business philosophy.. I am switching the company to more local family owned and so are my friends. They lost 3 accounts from me. read more