Are you kidding, you can't find a better burger and fries anywhere, the Korean slaw in the bowls is amazing, the service is great and food is prepared quickly, the fish and shrimp tacos are great too read more

When a little birdie told me how good the sandwiches and Asian fusion at KoKyu was, I was like a duck to water. Little did I know, it was at the top of my partner's pecking order, too. You know what they say, birds of a feather... Anyways, we had both been pretty chicken about trying new restaurants in the area since the last new place I recommended ended up being a bit of an albatross. I had to eat crow on that one, unfortunately. Well, thankfully, once we got our ducks in a row, we flew the coop to try their takeout since KoKyu was only a few miles away as the crow flies. Despite the impressively long and diverse menu, we had eagle eyes for the Chicken Bacon Franch and the Ko Faux Bahn, respectively. Oh man, first bite, immediate goosebumps. We absolutely gobbled them up, and have gone cold turkey on other local sandwich shops ever since. If you live in the Durham-Chapel Hill area, you don't need to go on a wild goose chase to find incredible food. We've already taken many friends under our wing and introduced them to this amazing place, and I feel proud as a peacock when they tell us how much it makes them go cuckoo, too. Spread your wings and try KoKyu, I guarantee it'll give you something to crow about. read more

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If I could give more than five stars I would... This is one of the best meals I've ever had. The sandwich was so fresh! I can't wait to try the rest of the menu. The staff was so kind! One of the workers even brought us a free milkshake because we were celebrating our anniversary. So nice!!! I loved how creative they were with the food! Can't wait to go back! read more

KoKyu - Milkshake - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

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Please bring the Jerk Turkey Tacos back! My go-to is always the Baht Mi sandwich but this special caught my eye and boy am I glad I tried it. I haven't found an amazing jerk dish in the triangle but this knocked my socks off! I hope I'll see it again. Easily a top contender on the menu! read more

KoKyu - Jerk Turkey Tacos - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

We've been picking up family meals here throughout the pandemic (6-pack tacos or massive trays of their delicious mains with rice) and love being able to stock up on their flavorful, creative food to eat for multiple meals at home. I've also found some gems in their rotating specials. If you see the Mumbai shrimp tacos, get them while you can, and eat them while they're still hot and crispy! Now, they've added burgers to the menu. So far I've only tried the BlueBoy (bacon with a whipped bleu/brie cheese combo and pickled peppers onions on a brioche bun), but it was so good that I can't wait to get it again - if I can resist tasting my way around the rest of the burger menu. My only complaint is that they took the shortrib quesadillas off the menu recently. My husband and I will continue hoping that they'll find their way back someday. Finally, a tip from this frequent customer: Sign up for their rewards program, and you'll earn $$ off future orders. It's practically like you're making money from eating there! Okay, not really, but it feels nice to have your loyalty rewarded in the form of more tacos. read more

This place was super cool! My only recommendation is they make the website a little more user friendly and explained the concept a little better because we almost didn't go. It was essentially like four different restaurants/menus you could choose to order from. They don't have indoor seating, you go sit at a table outside and order from a QR code menu. A waitress brings water around and checks on you intermittently but you really are ordering from the online menu. We ordered the corn dip, a burger, a chicken sandwich and fries. I didn't love the corn dip, but my partner really liked it. My burger was huge and delicious and the fries were awesome. My partners chicken sandwich was also bomb! My only feedback other than the menu is I kind of wanted to order the corn dip as an app but wasn't sure how to do that so just ordered it so everything came out at once. We will absolutely be back. read more

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This place is so freaking good. Omg. I placed an online order through their website and would definitely recommend getting curbside pickup -- don't use Uber Eats! They upcharge like crazy. My order was ready within 15 minutes, and even though it took me longer than 15 minutes to get there, my food was still warm when I got there. The whole pickup process was super painless: I arrived, someone (masked!!) asked for my name and gave me my order, and I drove away without having to get out of my car--all within the space of probably 2 minutes. Now for the food. I ordered the kimchi nachos and the sweet fries. The nachos were a huge portion--I couldn't finish them all in one go, and they tasted just as good for lunch the next day. This is an excellent and delicious dish, but verrryy spicy! In a good way, though. The sweet fries were out of this world. The sauce that comes with them was so freaking good. I could taste the sesame/chili oil in it and maybe wasabi? Mustard? I must have the recipe. I'm obsessed. So glad I tried this place, and I WILL be back. Especially for the fries. And that sauce. read more

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If I could give them, this place would have been a whole six stars for me. From their website, I didn't fully understand the concept of this collaboration of ghost kitchens. But once we got there, our server, Adam, was quick to explain and help us navigate our options via online ordering. Firstly, they're currently only offering patio dining and takeout service (as of June 2022). This ended up working out great for us as we wanted to dine al fresco, and we didn't have to wait on this Saturday evening. Adam provided plenty of recommendations and we finally settled on our respective dishes. I opted for the Baht Mi sandwich -- korean beef short rib, sriracha butter, chilies, cucumber, pickled vegetables, honey peanut sauce, KoKyu chili sauce, cilantro, mint, and crushed peanuts on perfectly toasted bread. Need I say more? This was truly one of the best sandwiches I've ever had. None of the flavors overpowered the others and there was a variety of textures to make every bite divine. I also enjoyed the small side I chose, yogurt dill cucumbers, which helped cool down my taste buds from some of the spices. My boyfriend had the Doenjang Steak Bowl -- he really enjoyed it, but trust me when I say you just need to order the sandwich above. I could see myself going out of my way to come back to this place. The service was excellent and the food was spectacular. I can't stop thinking about my meal! read more

KoKyu - Doenjang Steak Bowl - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

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Great Asian / Korean cuisine. Food, Service, and Ambiance are awesome! Cool outdoor ambiance next to tall trees by the deck. My favorites, Spicy Pork Bulgogi and Roasted Belly Bowl. read more

I feel so conflicted about this place. It has great outdoor vibes, good services, and many options on the menu but.... The bathroom is so far awayyyy. Burger/sandwiches do not come with a side. Everything here is so fusion, I don't find anything super special. Like most fusion food they overuse sauces, which I find to be super unhealthy. read more

Food was amazing! I had a burger with the ko jangles fries. The burger was really good but the fries.... I haven't tasted fries as good as that in a while! read more

KokYu is the definition of east asian cuisine with southern flare served in generous sizes. As a Korean immigrant from Texas with Japanese parents, I know asian-southern food and I can personally attest that that KokYu just does it right. The quality and diversity of the food, the quaint eating area, and the speed of service are all so consistently high standard. It's the perfect place for a quick lunch break, casual first date, or just to relax and do work. I'm a huge fan of the Banh Mi's with a frozen tamarindo lemonade on a cool spring day. Will definitely come again soon! #LoveIsLove read more

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I can't even think of anything negative to say. The food is amazing. The service is amazing. The Brussel sprouts are worth the 20 min drive and baby sitter. The ok faux Bahn is amazing and dreamy - for someone that likes spice, fusion food, good beer/sours/ciders, and vegetarian fare you basically have it made here, lady. Do it and bring friends. read more

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BLUF: (Takeout Review) We definitely over ordered AND REGRET NOTHING!! So having been turned in to satisfied, moaning gluttons with fat tummies, we really enjoyed every bite. From the birria dip + jus to the last scrape of lemon-soy aioli and sprout. Both sandwiches were tasty. The Birria Dip had the advantage of the jus, it was delectable. The generously filled Nước Chấm Banh Mi with two pork chops and pickled vegetables was good, but a touch dry, we helped it out with their house chili crisp oil and super sauce. One of the best sweet potato fries we've had anywhere. Super sauce? Super Yes! They had the order done quickly, just about 10 minutes. That plus the travel time, our food was in the well-packed bag for about 45 minutes in total. Everything felt like they retained their intended crunch/texture and we didn't feel like we lost any thing by not eating in. What gives us pause is the $73 (after tax and tip) for five items. If we're in the area and really, really can't think of anywhere else to eat, we'll come back. Next time I think we'll throw three or so darts and let the Fates decide for us. read more

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Oh, the flavors! Joyful employees. Shaded outdoor dining. Truly amazing selection of beers. Kokyu is the penultimate destination for those with an adventurous palate. The menu shifts with the availability of local fresh produce. Every shift is a delight. I am a fan of distinct but complimentary flavors. Sweet, spicy, savory, tangy. Kokyu is masterful in this regard. The menu is impressive and diverse. I think of Kokyu as Korean fusion with great beer and interesting milk shakes. The shrimp tacos are a favorite and their salmon bowls, in all their seasonal varieties, are heavenly. This is Sep 01,2024. I predict that this restaurant is going viral in the next few months. They are getting ready to open a newly constructed deck overhanging a creek and shaded by trees. It is a LARGE deck. For those who, like myself, enjoy dining outside, this will be a prime venue. There are very few local restaurants that could offer the same atmosphere. I suspect that they will add some live music. Finally, the people are wonderful. I suspect it is because the owners treat them like family and seek input for new recipes and beer selections. Happy employees = great service. Word of caution: Many of the dishes are spicy. However, when you bring up the menu by scanning the QR code on the table, you can customize your order. The staff are very helpful. Just tell them that what you want and they seem to delight in coming up with a solution, even substituting sauces from other dishes. This could become the number one outdoor restaurant in the Triangle. read more

This is a Asian taco place. They've closed the dining room so you have to sit at outside tables that are just set on a sidewalk. Not the best atmosphere. You then order off your phone and they bring it to you already in a bag (like take out). Food was good. I had the Saigon chicken tacos. My companion had the tacos with the ghost pepper sauce. So food was good but I didn't enjoy sitting at the tables on the sidewalk next to a busy street. read more

I haven't had good duckfat tots and tacos since Kokyu disappeared from Motorco years ago, and I'm beyond thrilled this place opened right by my house! The menu is so exciting and the perfect beer pairing food. They've got a great wall of local beer taps in a self-serve style using bracelets that's a tad confusing at first, but I love that you can do small pours. I can't say enough good things about the menu if you like exciting foods. The bulgogi bowl is my favorite when I'm not drinking (it's a tad healthier) and the shrimp tacos are outstanding anytime! read more

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First off, finding this place is like trying to find a treasure chest on a map. It's located in the most random spot. Most likely, your GPS will go crazy and map you somewhere around the building. From there, be patient, turn your GPS off, and try your best to find it manually like the old days. I initially thought that this was a second location for the original Kokyu sandwich shop. I was expecting a similar menu but it was totally the opposite. There are lots of parking which is huge relief. The shop is a good size with enough seating --- indoor and outdoor. We arrived around around 7:00 p.m. and had to wait in line for a good 10-minutes to place our order. Great customer service. Everyone was really kind. Now, onto the food. Here's what we ordered: Burnt End Nachos: This was one of the best nachos ever! Just the right amount of everything. The portion was very generous, especially the amount of meat! The burnt ends were tender and full of flavor. The melted cheese, avocado sauce, and thinly sliced sweet peppers was the perfect concoction. Chicken Wings: Found out that on Tuesday nights, there's a wing special! The wings were perfectly fried and had a nice bite to it. The sauce wasn't anything too special. Duck Fat Tots: A perfect portion of tater tots. Just enough. Nothing more. Matcha Sundae: A good blend of ice cream and a matcha cookie. Would I get it again? Great experience but I don't think I would. I didn't like it that much. Overall, this place is definitely a fantastic addition to the food scene here in the triangle. I look forward to stopping by again. read more

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Strong, flavorful food! When looking for a restaurant near Southpoint, my friends and I decided to try out Kokyu. We first checked out the beer wall. Although we chose to drink water, they seemed to have a good selection of self-serve beer. Their menu is small, but packed with nutritious vegetables and flavorful spices and sauces. I ordered the kimchi quesadilla without cheese. They checked with me to see if I wanted anything else in case the quesadilla would not cook appropriately without the cheese. It actually worked out okay and the quesadilla held together. It was quite spicy and tasted great. If we were hungrier we would have ordered their large plate of mouth-watering nachos. Our orders arrived at our table quickly and were accurate. My friends and I hung out in the restaurant for a while talking and enjoying our meal. Each employee we interacted with was friendly and offered to bring us more water. There is also a jug of water to the right of the beer wall available to everyone. The restaurant is small and was busy, but there was always a table or two open. We would recommend this restaurant to others! read more

KoKyu - Kimchi Quesadilla - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

As goodies, we have dined at many places. The food is just so tasty here. Rich in different flavors. Anytime we are in Durham, we will be here!!! read more

KoKyu - The best taco I have ever eaten. We will be back! - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

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The menu sounded great but when we arrived we found out that there is no indoor seating. Seriously. None. It's in the 40s outside and we have our baby with us, so suffice it to say we didn't stick around. I normally wouldn't leave a review at a place I didn't eat but I think it's important that other people know that they shouldn't plan to have a sit down meal here unless it's nice weather out. I wish we had known this before we drove all the way over to the restaurant. Maybe we'll come back in a few months when it's warm enough out. -- UPDATE: Now the owner is DMing me on multiple Yelp accounts after blocking him after his first rude message, because apparently I should be on his email list or following his business on social media to know that there is absolutely no indoor seating. In his opinion, saying "Patio Dining & Curbside Takeout" in his Instagram bio should be enough information to inform people that despite the variety of indoor dining displayed in their Yelp photos, that this restaurant does not have ANY indoor tables whatsoever. (Because of COVID apparently?) To get a sense of the tone of his messages to me, his exact words in his second message from another account: "It's disappointing that people like you exist. And, :gulp:, are reproducing. Get a grip." So now I'm 100% certain I will NOT come back to this restaurant even if the weather is perfect out. If you're from out of town and/or don't follow this restaurant on social media or email, hopefully you'll see my review and know very clearly what to expect if you choose to eat here. ---- UPDATE 2: In the interest of transparency, I'm posting the full conversation. I was tempted to upload screenshots but I'm not trying to be an AH here. Just hoping to help others avoid being turned away at the door of a restaurant they mistakenly believed had indoor seating based on the 35 photos of their indoor dining area. I blocked this man originally because I was trying getting creepy vibes from his first private message as I'm sure many other women can appreciate. Here's the full "entitled diatribe". Including the weird insult about my profile picture. **OWNER: Hey Laura, I want to start by saying I totally get your frustration with us not having indoor seating at this time. While we have been very clear about what is going on with our customers through emails, newsletters and updates, we find it is nearly impossible to get the message to everybody. Our current situation is a direct result of Covid?whatever. Regardless of that, its pretty damn shitty to leave a 1 star review for that. I have babies too Laura... I dont know why I'm even writing this, its pretty obv where its going. **MY REPLY: You're saying that you don't have a single indoor table because of COVID? In 2023? I'm not on your email list, I'm simply an exhausted mother who was running errands in Durham... and who wishes there had been some public information about your lack of seating before we drove our family to your restaurant incorrectly thinking we'd be able to eat there. My review will hopefully save other people the trouble of having the same experience as we did considering the Yelp photos are full of people eating inside. You should remove or update those photos if you don't want people to feel misled by your Yelp listing. **OWNER (ON 2ND ACCOUNT): Hi Laura, Thanks for blocking me from responding to you. We've had clear messaging and updates about our seating situation via email, newsletters, on our social pages (like right in the bio), but obv it's impossible to get the message everywhere to everyone. You missed the memo Laura. Your lack of empathy in your private response before blocking me speaks volumes. Your Yelp "headshot" really starts to tell the whole story - in 2023 Laura, really? It's disappointing that people like you exist. And, :gulp:, are reproducing. Get a grip. read more

I am a regular here. Always takeout. The quantities of the Veggie Bibimbap is very good. Very filling and extremely tasty.

I was contact by management about the review, which was only negative in the absence of salt and the chicken sandwich. Flip was very concerned about the food quality, which was why there was no chicken sand, and about a sustainable source, so kudos. Also, he was very concerned about the perception of pretension, on my part, because of the lack of salt available. He informed me that there was salt available (Real Sicilian Sea Salt), and that they should offer it. The lack of salt on a table is my trigger, not their intention, and in his words, "One of our major goals in the restaurant business is to eliminate pretense, we don't like it, and we wont stand for it." Very well said, and I am glad that I was wrong. Again, the food we ate was delicious, and definitely coming back. read more

New location is great! They offer such an awesome menu with lots of options. Great addition to the Triangle food scene! Ordering is easy. You are seated, you scan the app and order your food. Food comes out quite quickly. Lots of to go orders. Alcohol is also served here. Love the sandwiches, the bread roll is so tasty! Ordered the dipped Birria and Belly Banh. Definitely a must try if you love eclectic food. read more

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I've always been a fan of the KoKyu food truck and Na'Mean. I was really excited to hear about their newest location near Fayetteville and Hwy 54. My husband and I went for lunch on a Saturday afternoon. I got the short rib sliders and he got the lobster roll sliders. I really loved mine! The rolls were perfect, the pickled stuff was amazing, and the meat was delicious. I also got the tater tots and was so excited when I remembered they sprinkle them with rosemary and you dip them in a spicy aioli! So tasty. They seem to have a lot of beers and that weird wristband-serve-yourself situation, but that's not my scene. I wish they had a better soda selection but that's the only thing I'd improve upon! read more

KoKyu - Lobster rolls, shirt rib sliders, street corn, and tots - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

We tried KoKyu for takeout and found the experience so easy from start to finish. Ordering online was simple and convenient - with pictures of all of the food and a detailed description of ingredients. Curbside pick up was fast - ready in under 15 minutes and the food was packaged perfectly. The food was pretty good. The street corn dip was phenomenal - perfectly spicy and cheesy. I also loved that the nacho dip was nicely packaged separately which kept the food fresher for longer. The chicken sandwich was also good. Even though the food was good and unique, it was extremely overpriced. There is no side for the chicken sandwich and a side of fries is almost 8 dollars for a single serving. The nachos were also a little overpriced in my opinion. I think this is definitely a restaurant to try if you live in the area and want to splurge for a date night, just note the prices on the menu in advance and be prepared. read more

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The wife drags me from our home to the mall. I loathe the mall. Shoes. Pants. Rings. Sport tights. How do they come up with this crap. Blush. Lip balm. Soaps. Shoes once more. "How do these look?" Who cares. "It's on sale!" It was too much in the first place. But! A light at the end of the trip. For near the mall is a REAL shop. You will not find bath crap here. Feast your eyes on this spread. Bowls. Subs. Brews. Best fries of ALL time. A bahn mi that will lift your wings and make you cluck with joy. When I am at the end of my rope at the mall, I breathe word of the Ko's Bowl. At once, my wife kicks the high heels off her feet. We run past the grease pit that they call a food court. Get out of here with that trash. In the car, we step on it. Drool. Lust. Soon. So soon. I dunk the fry in the sauce that the chefs make from scratch. What a treat. As it hits my lips, I know. It was all worth it. (Down with birds. Eat more of them.) read more

I had the Viet Satay sandwich with a side of seaweed salad. Both were solid but a bit pricey. The sandwich was filled to the brim with crispy chicken, jalapeños, and herbs, and the sauce combo was a nice mix of creamy and sticky. Was a little difficult to eat without getting sauce everywhere. Nothing special about the seaweed salad, but a solid side option. All ordering is still online and seating is outdoors. read more

KoKyu - Viet Satay sandwich - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

My family just can't stop raven about KoKyu. The ultimate test is finding anything for my kid to eat that isn't pizza. I can't explain how eggciting it is to watch her devour fries with seaweed. They truly are the star of the side dishes. Truly though, the flavors of every single dish should be ill eagle. Bold, flavorful, creative and just so dang good. Hands down my favorite restaurant in Durham. read more

KoKyu is always good-see my review from earlier. Today was particularly good-taco special are Cajun grilled shrimp tacos, which they let me sub the Cajun shrimp for crispy shrimp on the Thai Chop chop salad. They are extremely accommodating with special request for my Keto diet. Excellent as always. read more

Had a taste for something different and decided to stop here. Service was fast and accurate. My food was fresh, delicious and so fulfilling. I ordered the general ko bowl. I'll definitely come back and try something different! Prices are a little steep but that's to be expected because of location and the type of food offered. read more

KoKyu - Barbeque Near Me - Durham, North Carolina

Ok. I don't resort to this much. But I'm going to threaten your life if you don't RUN to this AMAZING little office park restaurant and eat the very best Bulgogi Tacos and Chicken Sandwiches on earth ! They have no restrooms so make sure you get that out of the way. Excellent IPA and Double Bock on draft to enjoy with our phenomenal Crispy "Cashville Hot" chicken sandwich and melt in your mouth Bulgogi tacos read more

Pretty disappointed by KoKyu. I had high expectations because of the reviews and I heard good things, but I ordered the bulgogi bowl and felt like I had wasted my money. For one, the bowl is so expensive for no reason. There's barely any meat and 80% is either rice or side dishes, which are not hard or expensive to make. I couldn't even finish the bowl. I really don't think it's worth it, and I've had much better Korean fusion bowls at less expensive places. read more

Kokyu is our favorite pandemic take out spot! They haven't opened the indoor to seating so I am happy they are taking their Covid precautions seriously and supporting the safety of their staff. We order online and pickup and it's always ready when it should be (you get a text it's ready), and they are quick to bring it out, unlike other places. If you want to sit and eat, you can choose and outdoor table and mobile order giving the table number. A great compromise! But what about the food!? One thing I love is this location is a shared kitchen for their other businesses and so you can order off several menus. Our go-to is ko-faux bahn from Na'mean (light on the chili sauce) and we get a kokyu side of furikake steak fries. Y'all, I don't even like fries but these are delicious! I want to buy their seasoning straight up like people buy everything bagel seasoning. Wait, but really, I want it on avacado toast now. The fries travel pretty well for the trip home and are downright my favorite. I love the crisp, the cut, and omg that flavor. Seriously, what are you waiting for!? They are even open Sunday's now. read more

Always great to! I got the Belly Banh and it was amazing as usual! The bread was soft and chewy, the veggies were fresh and the pork belly was tender and cooked to perfection Great spot! read more

The place had so much hype and unfortunately I was left disappointed. It is overpriced and overrated. The food was sub par and seasoned in not the right way. There was absolutely no service. You order, they bring the food out in a paper bag and don't even bother to ask how you are doing, bring you silverware or anything. Very disappointing. They do not have any indoor seating and no service. The food is not one to spend your money on. read more

4 shops in 1! Love this concept. My bf and I decided we would start off with Kokyu itself and then next time we come we will order from the other places. First off the Furikake Steak Fries are IT. If you order nothing else, GET THESE FRIES. I love a good crispy fry and these were that and seasoned amazingly. They were good alone, but it did come with a dip. My Dojo Steak Tacos were delicious and flavorful. The crispy rice inside was a great texture to add to the taco. My bf ordered the Burnt End brisket Nachos and was in heaven. Giant chunks of meat that were really tasty. The best part however: The Ghost Pepper Queso. We dipped everything in it. My tacos, the furikake fries, everything lol. Our server was Adam and he gave such great service. We will be coming back very soon to try the other places. read more

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As a long time fan of the OG KoKyu when I heard they opened up a new spot I had to go. The location is a bit random, but parking and space isn't an issue. The menu is completely different from the other location, but you will not be disappointed. We got the following items: Duck Fat Tots (3/5)- Great appetizer, but execution could use improvement. The sage was just dumped in the tray, and the sauce could use some revision. General Ko Bowl (5/5)- Generous portions of juicy chicken served on a bed of rice topped with sesame and green onions. BOWLS ARE BOGO ON MONDAYS AFTER 4PM. Short Rib Quesadilla (3/5) - Overall good, but I felt the portion was small given the price ($13). I also felt that this was rather spicy and that the sauce should be served on the side vs on top. Calamari Tacos (4/5)- This was extremely good! The sauce was delectable and the portion was just right. However, they killed the dish with the amount of peppers. Burnt Ends Nachos (5/5)- When I saw this item approaching our table I said "are you serious?!?" due to the sheer size. This dish looks so good you don't even want to touch it, its a legit work of art. Piled high, with tons on guac, meat and cheese this is the best time we ordered. Again, they could've tamed the spice by not adding the ghost peppers all over, but that's a lesson learned for next time. All in all, this is a great spot especially for lunch. They also have BOGO bowls on Monday's after 4 pm. The only reason I can't give it 5 stars is due to the amount of spice in all of the items we got. read more

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the bread was so yum- unsure how i felt about the chicken. the ambiance is okay, pretty casual.

Only the outdoor is open and with no notification on the website. The first picture is of indoor seating-it's misleading. If you want to only sit outside on 85+ degree weather this is it. Basically still a food truck with a brick and mortar front. I wish I had seen the correspondences in the reviews with the owner sooner. We would have never drove over. Wow. We've orders take out from here when it was on 55. But that was the distance past. Never again. read more